Yeah, not keeping my breath. Israel doesnt like to provide evidence and when it does are often disproven short after.
Quick, show a picture of an elevator shaft
but what if it’s a HAMAS elevator shaft? Checkmate.
It’s insane that bombing hospitals is not condemned immediately as a war crime as it is in Ukraine. Its painfully obvious that a different set of rules applies to Israel
Provided that hospital is used to store ammunition or as an escape route for terrorists - no. It’s not insane that it’s not condemned. Ukraine doesn’t risk their citizens’ lives by grossly breaking the geneva convention.
The rules are different because the game is different. Ukraine is not Hamas.
None of that has been verified. Israelis have been consistently caught lying about human shields. Bombing refugee camps and failing to distinguish between civilians and combatants.
You can choose not to believe it. But when there’s footage of actual captured terrorists saying explicitly everything that they’re being excused of, and when even the son of Hamas’ leader is saying those same things aswell, then I just find it hard to ignore all that evidence. Hamas are publicly evil, advocating to death to all Israelis civilians (shooting rockets/terror attacks indiscriminately), and doing everything they can to prevent the existence of the more peaceful PLO in Gaza (via armed means, see their coup as an example…). So it’s really not that hard to believe (given the evidence) that they’re also evil towards their own population, and hide under civilian infrastructure, again, after so many testimonies and intelligence reports.
And say what you want about the IDF, but multiple professional army personnel have advocated for how they’re the most humane army in the world, doing the most out of any army in the world to make sure they don’t target civilians. Do civilians still die? Yes. Is it unavoidable as an act of war? Yes. Are the IDF the best at mitigating those civilian deaths in the world? Yes.
You mean the Green Prince? That guy is a douchebag who will say anything for attention.
The most humane army in the world has killed more children in 4 weeks than have died in war zones since 2020. The most humane army drops bombs in refugee camps killing hundreds of innocents to eliminate one combatant. It uses explosive weapons against hospitals and suffocates premature babies by denying supplies in violation of the Geneva convention.
Ah yes, the reason people are protesting is because of the hospital raid, not the wanton slaughter of civilians.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
It is now days since Israeli forces entered Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, and what appears to be happening on Friday is that they are continuing their search for evidence of this being a key Hamas command centre.
We have to remember that there is no independent scrutiny inside the hospital; journalists cannot move freely into Gaza, and any who are reporting from the site are working under the aegis of the Israeli military.
The evidence Israel has produced, so far, I do not believe to be convincing in terms of the kind of rhetoric Israelis were using about the set-up at the hospital, which suggested this was a nerve centre for the Hamas operation.
From the beginning of this war on 7 October, when a surprise attack launched by Hamas killed around 1,200 people, mostly Israeli civilians, it has said reaching the hospital is one of its main targets.
Israel’s major justification for killing so many people in Gaza - more than 11,500 in more than a month, according to the latest figure from the territory’s Hamas-run health ministry - is that Hamas was using them as human shields.
He is also pointing to what he called “strong indications” that hostages had been held there too, after the Israel Defense Forces said the body of 65-year-old Yehudit Weiss, who had been kidnapped from her home in Be’eri near the Gaza boundary, was discovered in a house near Al-Shifa.
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… I’m just curious. How many people here think that there are no tunnels or military resources under the hospital, and Israel is making it all up? If you think that’s probably the case, upvote this comment.
edit: Feel free to downvote if you think it’s probably not the case. I don’t care about the karma, I’m just curious about the poll results.
This poll is not going to be accurate because you have worded it so. Everyone knows there are tunnels there because Israel dug them in particular there before leaving occupation in 2006. The real questions should be if they are connected, serving as a logistics hub, or used for storage of weapons. Even then, that’s a completely different question on if it was justified to take the hospital in the way they did as opposed to just bombing it and of the certainty of the intelligence played into the decision making there.
Bro what? Israel digging tunnels in Gaza?
And I don’t understand, you’re saying it’s better to bomb the hospital given it’s acting as a military hub? That it’s better to bomb it rather than taking it over?
I’m so confused by your comment.
I agree, the poll is basically guaranteed to be at least somewhat inaccurate, for quite a few different reasons. I’m not looking for concrete answers though, just general vibes is fine.
edit: As huge a proponent of the scientific method as I am, it is by design a very slow, thorough and methodical process, that tries to hone in on very accurate answers.
Geopolitics in the modern world is extraordinarily fast. Everything can change in a single day, and never-before-seen things are always right around the corner now. For this reason, the scientific method, while very useful for understanding current geopolitics at some future date, will never be able to actually participate in it in real time, at any kind of major scale. Nor should it, as speeding it up to do so would add inaccuracy.
History involves science. Geopolitics is an art, and will be until scientific research can be done in minutes and hours instead of days, weeks and months. It’s a technical hurdle.
Deception is at the core of all warfare. Politics is inseparable. Any tool to increase data will be gamed for political ends.
Warfare is politics by other means. Politics is not warfare by other means.
The BBC has already confirmed that the IDF is planting guns in al-Shifa: https://twitter.com/_RichardHall/status/1725498963174752490?t=eRT8uuGerft1G0Hs9mbnjg&s=19
