Can someone inform me why Varane is leaving?
Being benched for a cb paring of evans and Maguire, I’d want out too
I would stay, easiest 300k per week
I don’t think he’ll be getting NT call being on the bench all the time .
He retired for France.
He’s getting outplayed by Evans tbh. Varane has been pretty bum this season, and a lot of cheap mistakes. I think he checked out long before EtH benched him
His heart has not been in it
Fell out hard with Ten Hag apparently.
are there any players that havent fallen out with ten hag lol
Lmao if thats true seven hag is worse than i thought.
Because he doesn’t know how to man manage at a level beyond the school playground. Management is all about push and pull but he seems to have an approach where he wants everyone to be a little boy. Compare how he manages to how Ancelotti gets the best out of his players. Pep and Klopp are both annoying demanding fuckers but seem to avoid falling out with their best players
Not a single good source has said anything about then falling out btw. People on here just like to talk out of their asses, just like you
Casemiro and Varane mysteriously being left out of his teams for “tactical” reasons, and now they are going to leave. What do you think happened?
Have you not watched Varane this season? He has not been up to par. Evans has outplayed him at the age of 38. He was benched for being below standard and Maguire and Evans have stepped up. This is not a slight at EtH’s man management, but an exhibition of it
Yes, he has been terrible, especially that Copenhagen game. Many Man U fans were questioning Ten Hag’s decision to leave him out of the starting XI before that though. I think Casemiro was the more puzzling omission, but maybe that was due to him not being fit?
I’m not saying it’s Ten Hag’s fault, but it does seem like there is something going on there. Maybe I am talking out of my ass but I wouldn’t be surprised.
Casimiro has also been below par tbf, but he’s mostly been injured more than anything
Ten Hag doesn’t want to play him or Maguire on the left side. Maguire’s been in reasonable form so he’s benched Varane. Getting dropped in big games for Evans prob hurts Varane.
But all that being said it’s just speculation, not long ago we heard reliable stories saying Varane accepted Ten Hag’s decisions to not play him, now the gutter stories saying he was fuming with it.
Because he clearly took the job after being told to clear out the high earners in the squad. It’s not a coincidence that the 5 top earners when he joined (Ronaldo, DDG, Sancho, Casemiro, Varane) are all either being sold, exiled or terminated
Bollocks, there’s no agenda to get rid of the high earners without obvious season.
Sancho is SHIT. Lazy, underperforming and did nothing for his entire time here. And his attitude clearly stinks.
De Gea did not suit any modern team and it’s shown by the fact he’s still without a club.
Ten Hag repeatedly said he wanted to work with Ronaldo but with no pre season he rotated him, Ronnie didn’t like it and went crying to Piers Morgan. Ten Hag didn’t push him out, Ronnie jumped.
Case is 31 and having a bad season. Varane is 30 and injury prone. Not exactly ground breaking to be thinking about potential exits for these players
Right, it’s just a complete conspiracy that the Glazers who want to save money employed a manager who allowed his best players to be sold at Ajax for profit and are having him replace all the high earners with lower earners. This is all just one big coincidence to you is it?
It’s crazy how our fans shit on the Glazers while supporting every action of theirs lmao. If it’s just about performance why aren’t Antony or Rashford being pushed out? If it’s about injuries why isn’t Shaw being pushed out? If it’s about having a “bad season” why are all the players on lower wages getting away with it?
If you think any serious club keeps McTominay and Maguire only to sell Varane and Casemiro then I just don’t know what to tell you at this point
I wonder if Gary Neville will lead the charge into investigating the sales, if they happen. The same way he did with Chelsea selling 2 players to the Saudi League.
Varane would completely fix everything that’s wrong with this team rn. Papa Pinault pls
Casemiro = Matic
I will not be taking questions.
Well that was money well spent
Varane is injury prone but to say that Casemiro is washed up is hilarious. Can’t be a stand out when the whole team is under performing especially in a spot light defensive mid. Feels like Casemiro is in no man’s land with no help and they expect him to stop everything on his own.
Casemiro going from being over-priced questionable signing to essential part of the team to washed dead money back up has happened at a remarkable pace.
I can’t really believe it’s happened. I was lucky enough to be invited to see the Carabao Cup final last season, which Man United won, and Casemiro was brilliant. You could tell his big-game experience shone through and he was cool, calm and composed throughout, the definite MOTM. How he’s gone from that to not getting on the team sheet so quickly I don’t quite get. I guess it’s because they are trying to play a much more energy intensive style, and his game just doesn’t suit it.
He’s not getting in the team cause he got an injury keeping him out for 2 months. When fit he always plays.
Casemiro was never overpriced or questionable. He was valued exactly what he was worth and definitely one of the least questionable signings Manchester United has made.
Of course this was at the time of his signing.
definitely one of the least questionable signings Manchester United has made.
It’s less than 18 months since they signed him for £60m and now he’s getting binned off and yet he’s not a questionable signing? Sure thing mate.
Don’t think we’d have got top 4 without him. I’d imagine Champions League football is worth about that, even if we’ve crashed and burned in it.
A lot of the financial boost to getting CL football gets burned on player bonuses though
Is he being binned off? Why are you so certain about trusting the Daily Mail?
You’re acting like the transfer is actually happening right now, not like you’ve read a story in a paper which routinely makes things up.
I don’t think Casemiro is the issue. He was arguably the best CDM in the world when he signed. Granted, he was in a world class setup at Madrid where he had basically played his whole career.
But Casemiro as a player has been, overall, one of UTDs shining lights.
It’s difficult to play your best when you’re demotivated and man utd is a shambles
He’s not getting binned off.
You’re speaking in retrospect while completely ignoring the fact that the dude just tried to clarify that he meant without retrospective knowledge.
Yeah, because he ninja edited in the last part, and people absolutely did question it at the time too.
He was one of our most important players, he was brilliant for all of last season.
I don’t know what happened this season.
Lots of minutes with little to no rest due to no replacement and the team are pressing higher mean he is asked to press more intense than before. All combined to him rarely being fit for all 90 mins and wouldn’t be in the position to defend counter as he and Ten Hag want
Honestly, he’s also always been a motivation based player. I think at Madrid that was sort of papered over because there always is so much pressure, and he’s always been so questioned, and real we’re always in a position to compete. But if you go to his early career, people thought he was lazy at São Paulo, and at Porto he played a lot better in the CL (and I’d say even over his real career he was always better in big games). I imagine that it’s not just physical but also mental in this case.
I think at Madrid that was sort of papered over because there always is so much pressure,
I could not disagree more. There is massive pressure when the stakes are high yes - But there is also a reason why Real has never won a treble or isn’t as consistent in the league, priority number one is the CL.
I mean, he always performed in the CL though. League and copa were always a bit more disappointing, because they are lower stakes.
Ten Hag switched to an insane high press two-10s system leaving midfield even more exposed than before, leaving Case completely exposed having to do the work of two men. Then after Case misplaced one pass and we conceded he gets blamed for being shit when in reality it was the change to an unworkable system that practically doomed our early season results.
Thank you. Finally someone has some ball knowledge in this pathetic sub.
It’s funny how people don’t even consider that tactics can affect a player’s form. They think Casemiro being late to challenges is because he’s in the space of a few months lost his legs, and not because he’s been running for two players.
r/reddevils is just as bad.
Yup.
Wouldn’t say it’s insane, the idea was for Shaw to tuck into midfield in possession and be that extra man in case of turnovers. But… he got injured after two games.
29 year old DM on mega wages from Madrid is definitely questionable. I can’t ever recall a time where Madrid have gotten the short end of the stick when getting rid of one of their big stars, that alone should’ve raised question marks. Madrid are very good at assessing the level of their players
I can’t ever recall a time where Madrid have gotten the short end of the stick when getting rid of one of their big stars.
Robben, Makelele, Sneijder and Ozil (to a slightly lesser degree) all performed at a world class level after leaving Madrid.
I’ve said it elsewhere on the thread but Robben and Sneijder weren’t performing at Madrid, was definitely best for them to move elsewhere. Makelele was sold as result of a failed vanity project, Ozil was sold because he was no longer going to be a starter with the emergence of Isco and signing of Bale.
A player performing at a world class level for Madrid who is still at the top of their game generally never leaves Madrid
Robben was definitely performing at Madrid
Robben in his last season at Madrid was the sole reason we made UCL football
Id say odegaard but that is with hindsight. He couldnt break into the first 11 at the time
He wasn’t a big star though
He was bright though, great with La real the year before.
Hakimi
There 100% was questions whether £60 mil price tag and 4 year contract for a 30 year old DM on 350k a week was overpriced. A bit revisionist to pretend there weren’t question marks at the time
Casemiro signing was always questionable. Letting along the obscene amount of money on a 30 y/o, the guy is pretty much the opposite of every Ten Haag football idea: a slow midfield destroyer pretty poor with his feet for a manager who strives for possession and high pressing never made sense. They basically obliged him to switch to a transitional team
Casemiro is far from “poor with his feet”.
His pass percentage last season plummeted every time he played against a team competent enough to keep him under pressure, you think that’s a coincidence?
People see players like Modric, Lewa and Cristiano aging gracefully and expect everybody to do the same
It is just bewildering to me how Man United continuously sign the same flavor of player over and over again, the experienced player who’s “good enough to hold up the Man United name”, they produce 1-2 seasons of good performances and then something happens and they’re out. Happens over and over again - here with Varane and Casemiro, then there’s Eriksen, Ronaldo, Cavani, Lukaku, Matic, Mkhitaryan, Ibra, Sanchez, Di Maria, Schweinsteiger.
Note, this isn’t a list of United transfer flops, of which there are a whole lot more, but a list of the same archetype not working over and over again. You could argue that some on these list recouped some money, or that they brought value for a couple of seasons in a certain way, but that’s not the point - for a team to rise back to the top, you need a concrete plan, and repeatedly signing players without the means to succeed long-term is the opposite of the stability that’s needed for a project. You can’t build a team up if your marquee signings all get crocked/fall out/become surplus/want to leave after 1-2 seasons - there’s just no project then, no concrete plan to get back to the top, and it’s back to square one with next manager.
Maybe because it has to do something with the club itself then???
You don’t go from decade of world class to shit in a season or two.
You might not, but Manchester United do
It’s because united has been a purely commercial club since Fergie left. Glazers didn’t care about the football. they didn’t care enough to appoint competent people for the different important roles at the club like CEO, sporting director, scouting team etc. they let fucking ed Woodward, a business man to make football decisions like signing players. Then they appointed a fucking accountant as the CEO. What do you expect? 🤷🏻
RVP to a lesser extent
Di Maria
He was signed at 26, right after his best season for Real Madrid…
Eriksen, Cavani and Ibra were free transfers at least. Di Maria was 26 when he signed for United.
And Lukaku was like 24 when he signed for United, and had two very good seasons at Inter afterwards.
As if they haven’t signed upcoming young players like Sancho, Anthony, Pellistri, Lukaku, Pogba … to name a few. Those haven’t exactly worked out well either have they?
Were any of them upcoming?
Casemiro was an overpriced questionable signing precisely because of the worries of an impending drop off though?
It wasn’t like people thought he was bad, it was that people thought he was likely to regress soon
Wait whats wrong with Casemiro beyond injuries i thought he was one of Man Us best?
Since when is he washed backup he’s injured
It’s happened quicker than expected, but I think most expected it to happen.
He’s a great player and will retire with a golden legacy. Asking a 30-year-old to play in an end-to-end league like the Premier League was a recipe for disaster. He did well in year one, but the team is such a mess he’s being asked to do more than he’s able.
It’s happens sometimes when you spend big on older players. People like to think that top players all stay at peak level deep into their 30s but many do tail off fast.
I actually don’t think most people think this. I think most people HOPE that top players extend their time at the top, but are well aware of the evidence that it’s unlikely.
Soccernomics has their research saying most players peak at 27 IIRC. And that seems to be commonly accepted. Hence why there are so many revelatory articles about players 30+ continuing to do well, Mo for example.
Lewandowski could be headed for the thing if his form doesn’t pick up soon.
he’s got 7 in what 10 games this season for barcelona, come on.
🎶Ohhh Thiago Silvaaaaaaa🎶
We know we got lucky.
You guys are a money-no-object club, you can absolutely afford to take the gambles and pocket the wins. United are having to budget carefully for FFP and they’ve blown a fortune on transfer fee/wages here!
I assume there is a /s here lol.
We signed Silva on a free…and we also stay within FFP by selling/loaning players.
Wages still count for FFP. He’s not playing for free.
Our wage bill is smaller than City’s, Arsenal’s, and United’s…
What part of that doesn’t mean giving a huge contract to an aging player is a risk? You seem to be arguing that it’s not a risk because he was signed on a free transfer.
This has to be a copypasta
United have even more money than chelsea, just chelsea sometimes actually sell players they’ve spunked away all their money on so they can spunk away some more money
Overrated
No it doesn’t
It happens with young players too
Rashfor goes from shit to world class regularly, AWB went from shit to essential to shit
Many other United players and other team players as well, why? Because fans have the memory of a gold fish and when team does bad they do this
Rashford and AWB examples are fluctuations in form, an inherent lack of consistency, and/or fit with the manager’s tactics and what the squad needs. This is different than an age-related decline in quality when a player hits a point where their experience and knowledge of the game is no longer able to make up for the loss of athleticism.
Outside of significant injuries, it’s rare that a good player hits their peak in their early-mid 20s and can never get back to that. A lot will reach their potential and stop developing but they don’t go backwards. That’s why it’s so surprising and attracts attention when it does happen, e.g. Dele.
Players in their mid 20s peak and fall off all the time we have thousands of examples, some players are just not that good and peak fall off season after season
Not every player in their mid 20s is consistent
Sure, you can find some, but thousands of examples? I think it’s far more often the case that the players that look to have gotten worse really aren’t, they are just being expected to play at a level beyond their abilities so they look bad. For example a player having a great season in the Championship, getting sold to a PL team and doing poorly most likely isn’t receding from their peak, they were never a PL level player to begin with.
Yes thousands of examples
Players have one off seasons all the time in every league idk how people watch football but say this
Just in PL u have so many one season wonders let alone other leagues that you have never seen
Idk if i know this but it’s very hard to be consistent and great at a very high level
A one off season is not their actual level, it’s just being in great form…
Rashford’s a budget player who turns it on for 7 months when a contract is on the line. Xhaka grew as a player when his role was adapted to provide him better cover to make up for his lack of pace and somewhat questionable defensive instincts. Casemiro has just gotten old after being consistent forever.
Younger players who function better in one system or another or others who turn it on at pinch points in their career are not the same as older player going over the hill.
Speaking of Rashford, he only gives a shit when he wants a new contract lol
See another stupid comment with goldfish memory and just zero evidence
Rashford never gives a fuck, he sulked and didn’t jump for headers last season any time i watched but he scored goals so your goldfish memory forgets that
He was much better last season - at times, the only other player with Bruno who was a consistent threat. This season, not so much.
Right, you complain about zero evidence and proceed to give zero evidence yourself. Come on.
What do you mean about AWB? He went from shit to essential and then has been injured, he’s only just back
It happens when you buy a player who is good at quick progressive passes, good at defense, and great with quick possessions and you have him hold the ball, be the sole pivot, and not pair him with anyone that fits him. Using him as a sole pivot is especially a problem, that doesn’t make any sense in the modern game where every good team has two pivots, much less with a player that isn’t used to it
I’ve said this many times, anyone who saw KCM play knew Casemiro barely had any on ball responsibilities.
As soon as I saw that Ten Hag was asking him to spray the ball around the pitch like prime Pirlo I knew there’d be a problem. He can give you a few good passes and dribbles but he can’t do it every game for 90 minutes, never has ever had to.
Now All of a sudden he’s “washed”, he’s far from washed imo. Any team looking for a pure destroyer type CDM, and already has good ball playing CMs would benefit him greatly. United’s other midfielders aside from Bruno are not up to standard.
Someone like Case who has won it all tends to fall off quicker and its not like United has big ambitions. Doesnt do much for your motivation.
Like Koulibaly with us tbh
Also how Casemiro got REALLY fat in the offseason.
One would think he would try to stay in shape now he is over 30. Nope. Party all the way and pick up a lot of weight that needed to be shed really fast.
Tbh it’s really quite common for guys who’ve won everything towards the end of their careers to come back in not the best shape. They’re human after all, some players stay super motivated into their deep 30s but I don’t blame anyone who lets themself go a little bit. It’s more you don’t wanna be on the hook for lying such a player a quarter million a week cos 3 years ago he was a world beater!
Typical Brazilian
Even moreso when they are the skillful players expected to carry the team, instead of another cog in the well-oiled machine.
It happens but it shouldn’t and wouldn’t to these 4-5 time champions league winners there’s some common factors in the dips in performance with these two players we’ve seen it with Ronaldo as well.
Everytime you mention someone over 30 might decline suddenly you are bombarded with people claiming that there’s “no way a professional like him” could decline and that sports science has gotten so advanced that it essentially trumps biology meaning there’s no reason players would decline one bit before they’re 36 at the earliest.
Many people often also ignore the human element of this. They think footballers are robots like in their games of FIFA on PS5. There are so many examples of footballers losing their drive to stay at peak performance or who want to move onto other interests.
There are so many examples of footballers losing their drive to stay at peak performance or who want to move onto other interests.
And I can’t really blame them.
You’ve earned millions, played tons of important games, won trophies. At some point you might think ‘‘been there, done that’’ and start prioritizing other things besides your footballing career.
For some players the drive to compete and strive for the best never diminishes but it’s not all what’s out there.Yep. What could he do that would live up to the ecstasy of winning the league cup?
Casemiro also went from a culture where excellence is expected to a culture where it’s not.
This wave of guys like Ronaldo, Messi, Ibra, Thiago Silva, Modric, have made people forged that 90% of players over 32 are going to drop their performance lvl. People forget these are professionals with their hands on top level technology, nutricion, recovering etc. Also 2 of them were born with probably 1 in a million natural genaracional talent. That and like you said games like Fifa and FM have made people look at older player in a diferent way ( which is not all 100% correct). Hell, 15 years ago, a 29 year old player would be called ancient.
That and like you said games like Fifa and FM have made people look at older player in a diferent way ( which is not all 100% correct).
FIFA and FM very much help ingrain the idea that players are washed up and on the decline as soon as they hit 30 - which is the opposite of what you’re saying.
I get your point about players like Modric, Messi, Ibra, Silva, etc, distorting people’s opinions of how long a player can be at their peak for - but the FIFA/FM part is nonsense.
Hell, 15 years ago, a 29 year old player would be called ancient.
Total garbage. 29 year old players have never been considered ancient.
No one called 29yr old players ancient 15 years ago.
yeah Zidane was 29 when Real Madrid signed him and I can’t remember anyone talking about his age
bud you’re on /r/soccer so you’re talking to a 10 year old, 15 years ago the universe didn’t even exist
I wish I could upvote you twice
I 100% did this. I said “A 29 year old is a total waste of our time and money. its ridiculous. wtf are we doing? The club has lost it! He’s totally washed and over the hill! Did we learn nothing from Joe Cole?!? FFS!”
… that 29 year old was James Milner.
Not to mention, when a player is young and poor they are hungry. I just am not certain how a 32 year old, who is worth millions can have that same want to get out of bed every day with achy joints and go train, instead of living in leisure and just putting in the time. It is still a job and many forget that.
He’s also someone that was competing for everything at Madrid and moved to a club that competes for a champions league spot every year.
Players decline nobody ever denies that
Casemrio was great 4 months ago so was Varane
The difference is team doing bad so you say this, it’s not about age it’s more about team performance
I just gave an example of Xhaka, do u think prime Xhaka was worse than 30 year old Xhaka? Or was it fans scapegoating due to club performances
Prime Xhaka is now innit? He was mediocre for years and was a liability for a red card.
he was still a beast though, us gooners just seemed to loathe him. I always thought he was sick af
How many red cards has Xaka compared to Casemiro?
According to TransferMarkt
Xhaka - 14 (7 Straight Reds) Casemiro - 5 (2 Straight Reds)
Across their whole careers.
On one hand casemiro has gotten away with murder on the field without getting a card so many times in the other hand that may be a skill. Not really sure how to read these stats - feels like context makes it too nuanced.
casemiro hasn’t been great since february
Xhaka has not declined yet. Nothing in my comment suggests that I think every player 30 or over has started to decline.
Your comment generalizes and says nothing of value
Nobody has ever said what you are saying you are just overexaggaratting, when both Casemiro and Varane were signed people quesioned it including like Carragher etc
Your point is awful, age matters yes but 3 months of bad performances doesn’t mean 31 year old player is shit and has declined, what would happen if he is good next season? Does age not matter or is it just shit overall team performance by basically everyone
well xhaka also had other issues that caused him to try to do to much thus lose what he was/is good at look not as great.
always liked him even through his bad spell ofc.
didnt help that he was signed when wenger was still there then gone through a few different mangers with different styles.
its prob the same at man u because different managers rate different /want different players or players that they want and not what they have as well.
besides the fact that they are older ofc
This subreddit and other social media were hilarious when they signed them. Like it’s logical to question the merits of spending that much on players of that age. Sure there’s some who have held off their declines, but the majority of players dip at a certain age. For the money United spent, they could have bought far better long term options.
For the money United spent, they could have bought far better long term options.
But they didn’t want long term options. They’ve got the cash to sign a Casemiro every year or two.
They’d rather overpay for proven players than risk spending a chunk on a player who’s not quite as good, but has room to improve.Players of his calibre are so rarely available, and especially not willing to go to a borderline CL qualifier with little realistic chance of a title win.
The problem Man U have is that they’ve got the resources for those top drawer players, but they’re not an attractive option.
I mean, imagine them trying to sign Jude Bellingham. Is there actually an amount of money they could have given him to sign there? 3, 4, 5 times the wages Madrid offered? I think he’d still go to Real.
And if he did go to Man U, it would literally only be for money, so not that motivated to put in a good performance. As we’ve seen over and over.United now are no different to when Liverpool were taken over by FSG. They focused on long term building with smart signings. Signing players after in decline or just before their decline isn’t getting them anywhere. There’s a world of options between Casemiro and Bellingham.
Which is a stupid argument. Plenty of players that look after their body just decline physically though no fault of their own in their 30s. Look at Diego Forlán. He was always in peak shape, single digit bodyfat and wanted to run for everything, known for longevity. Yet just before the 2011 Copa América when he was 32, he just fell off of a cliff at club level, didn’t score in 12 games and just did not have the legs to play in Europe anymore as a mobile striker. Sometimes it just happens, players decline regardless of how well they look after their body. No one can beat farther time. Jordan Henderson is another example, be was declining for years before leaving Liverpool, despite always being in tip top shape.
Hendo was never in tip top shape. He’s played through a heel problem for years even at his peak.
Yup! I remember getting attacked here for questioning the value of Casemiro at his age/price/contract cos who wants to believe that a player they like might decline soon. Was the same with Peresic who everyone assured me would be a wonderful wingback adapting to PL aged 33!!!
It’s a real minority who play deep into their 30s, handing out big contracts to such players should be done with real care and scrutiny unless you are a monopoly money club then whatever gamble away!
Perisic is our current best left winger. Last year was shit for everybody I don’t think there was any evidence he declined noticeably.
Oh look another example
Last year Perisic legs gone this year he is good
He tore his acl this year
So did Gavi a 11 year old
What is even your point he was good before that
A few high profile players elongated their careers and now everyone on here thinks all footballers can play past their mid thirties and goalkeepers begin their prime at 30
Specially if they’re Brazilian, Marcelo took a massive dive right after 30.
Casemiro also played a ridiculous amount of games and any type of legginess at a position like DM gets exposed instantly in the PL.
Look at Fabinho ffs. Went from elite to literally washed in like 10 months. Still one of the craziest declines I’ve seen
Casemiro was always talented but also the poster boy for too good, too soon and unmotivated as fuck. I was surprised when Real Madrid bought him and even more when he excelled there, it’s unfathomable for anyone who watched him in his São Paulo days.
So not all that surprising that he fell off massively after 1) crashing out of probably his last WC and 2) moving to United lmao
Crazy
Has Case declined that much? Many teams are looking for a 6
He really hasn’t, ten hag simply has used Casemiro in a way opposite to what he’s good at. He’s not a singular controller, he’s made to play quick forward passes with a lot of options.
Cant run or pass
It’s the united DM curse. Be transformative for half a season and then fall off a cliff.
Serious answer - his form declined after those two suspensions towards the end of the season. Then this season he was sluggish and that combined with new tactics lead to gigantic defensive fragility overall. It was so bad ETH has reverted back to double pivot for now (also because of injuries).
He struggled when he joined looked overpriced, but he found himself quickly after that and was brilliant for us playing really tidily as a 6. This season it’s like he’s completely forgotten how to play in a single pivot, making some of the dumbest passes he never even thought of last season. He’s also been a couple steps slow and all of those borderline 5050s are clearly fouls/cards now. So now he plays in a double and ETH went out and bought Amrabat last minute after realizing the massive risk in midfield.
So while his discipline hasn’t changed, his quality as a player has declined considerably. Without the athleticism we’ve known him for, and tactical awareness he showed last season, he’s a shell of himself right now.
It’s only Bayern or Barca
I don’t think he declined but hit form later during the season (Feb - May)
And Liverpool.
I would love to see him succeed again, hopefully he recovers form and moves to Bayern.
We should try to loan him out in the winter transfer window.
Nah, tactics, injuries and an inconsistent backline have made his job more difficult. We’re not exactly a functional team at the moment.
More reactionary, low IQ takes from this subreddit.
He’s lost his legs basically
He’s declined but not as much as it initally looks like I think.
We’ve changed how we play this year to a single, rather than a double pivot and it constantly exposes Casemiro’s shortcomings and decreasing mobility.
He’s probably decline but let’s be honest it’s probably more just the United effect of the past years of making every player look worse
He looked like an absolute beast last season tho…in a united shirt
I don’t think he has declined that much at all. I believe it’s the slight change of tactic by EtH that leaves him isolated most of the time this season.
Bingo. This thread is off the mark.
It takes time for the Madrid to wash off of him
It also takes time for the United effect to kick in.
You don’t decline that much over a summer break. There has to be more to the story that we aren’t privy to.
He already was declining by the middle of last season. If you watched the games you people would know this. This has been a long time coming.
He’s been played in a bit of a different role this year that’s seen him being an offensive threat but defensively weak. Not sure why ETH’s done this.
Shows why we pissed money on Sangare as he will go for 60m plus if he’s half decent, despite him not showing much remarkable talent with the ball he’s simply a big ass 6 which every team needs nowadays
Wow MUFC got a huge life line
However they missed out Kim and Rice
What’s the plan now ?
Suggest something.
I dunno if this makes me (and any other Utd fans) feel any better, but we were never getting either of those two. Rice was a pretty long shot all things considered, and Kim would never have chosen us over first team football at BuLi champs Bayern.
It’s a sad state of things, but United have not been serious contenders for ages now. We shouldn’t be trying to lure in big names with even bigger wages. Our wage structure is already fucked up beyond repair, and we only seem to be making it worse.
I think if Qatar or sir Jim happened then maybe
Kane waited for MUFC too
Kane would’ve only gone to people not in direct competition with Spurs i.e City. Levy wouldn’t have ever sold Kane to a PL rival. It was more wishful thinking on our end. And looking at how shambolic our team currently is, in retrospect it was a great decision by Kane not to come to OT.
The problem wasn’t money 100-150m
But people questioned his age 29, this a guy who is never injury and doesn’t relay on athleticism
Could play till 38-40
The problem was that United wouldn’t get him if Levy could decide it (so this summer) and then they would still’ve been in a hard competition with Real, Bayern and other clubs (if he would’ve gone on a free).
They can always try to go for Frenkie, right?
There are rumors about Antonio Silva. But Benfica tend to sell for high, so the wallet is gonna bleed.
Absolutely no idea about DM.
What’s the plan now ?
tank the season for a better draft pick
I hope we start from scratch, similar to Arsenal and Liverpool. Just start building a team for the future even if we finish 8th or 10th or whatever. That’s the only way to ensure a stable future.
Alright say we do offload em for a decent bit of money, who should we replace them with?
Decent bit of money? Who would buy a CB who is almost always injured and a midfielder who is old and fouls like a son of bitch?
the never ending United merry go round, like Chelsea they’ll eventually rearrange into a winning combination at some point because it happens so often. until that depressing moment, happy friday to everyone on this blessed day.
People have been saying that for a decade. It should have happened by now
Should have stayed at Madrid! 😭😭
Well, that backfired…
Florentino masterclass
Wouldnt surprise me at all if Case and Fab was 2-3 years older than they say they are… ;-)