No I’m not catastrophising.
The world is slowly lurching towards a fully fascist led America, India, Hungary, Russia, Netherlands, Germany, Italy and Argentina.
Instead people are either ignorant or blaming “wokeism”* for their problems.
I have no clue what to do and this is literally a car crash in slow motion.
I’m despondent because I’m going to be crushed under the boot when the time comes and my morals get in the way of my survival instinct.
Humans are repeating the mistakes of the past. It’s just so anxiety inducing.
*Woke is a useless term promulgated by fascists to dog whistle the things they really want to hate - feminism, socialism, LGBTQIA+, immigration, brown/black people, equality and diversity.
We’ll see how it shakes out this year, but here are some positive thoughts…
2017 was the high watermark for facism’s popularity in the US. They couldn’t help themselves and went masks off in Charlottesville, and their movement has never recovered.
Facism’s rise is always reactionary to rising socialism. If the rural petite bougausie and the New York Times are pushing for facism then that’s because they are worried workers are gaining power and will come to take what they have. They’re worried we are getting organized and winning victories.
Conservatives are currently extremely demoralized. Go check out their boards and discords. I’ve never seen them this universally depressed. Then don’t think they can win and they aren’t excited at the prospect of trying only to fail.
Hmmmm I also frequent white supremacist sympathising discord and my general take away is that they are more desperate and more willing to take violent action to align reality with their views.
Of course this is only anecdotal so it’s kind of a moot point.
I’d be more confident in your opinion if there wasn’t a prevailing view that America will reelect Trump.
If trump isn’t elected it may not even stop fascism though.
Hitler was jailed before he rose to power, trump could very easily do the same. If I’m going to be optimistic about anything it’s the fact that Trump is very old and may not survive prison or the presidency for an extended period.
I live in a red state. The neighbors are practicing more with their rifles. But this state used to be blue and has always been 2nd amendment centered (but not always gun worship, just everyone had them for hunting or home defense), so should be interesting if someone actually commits. Jan 6 kind of tipped their hand on how much of a clusterfuck that would be.
Also, read about the “trial” of Hitler. The judge was sympathetic as hell. So far our judges tell Trump to stfu.
Isn’t your supreme court stacked to the hilt with Conservatives?
True but they were back before the election and those same conservatives he appointed told him to cram his election fraud narrative.
Plus it’s just in favor of conservatives, not stacked completely.
We’ll see. I’m not sure I fully believe all the polling. Trump has a real shot at winning but I’d give the advantage to Biden by a large margin.
I hope you’re correct. I just don’t fully believe it.
Remember, the second amendment is for everybody, not just MAGA chuds. :)
TIL the second amendment applies to everyone in the world.
I don’t think I said everybody in the world, but that’s okay, I forgive your stupidity
I guess if you’re in one of the countries that banned guns for civilians you could write the fascists a strongly worded letter. I’m sure that will help.
but I was moreso referring to the state of things in the US where the left is seemingly paralyzed between “we have to get rid of all the guns! think of the children! won’t somebody think of the children!” and “fascists are taking over, what the fuck do we do!?”
You said everybody without a context of a country, which implies everyone around the world, not everyone in the USA. It’s okay though, I’ll forgive your stupidity in forgetting there’s people outside the US.
Fortunately for me I am from one of those countries. It’s not like they’ve got guns either. Even if we did, what would people do? Start randomly shooting at people who we think are fascists?
If you look really hard and read carefully, you’ll see I also said “the second amendment”, which is popularly known worldwide as part of, specifically, the United States Constitution. If you squint, you can also see I mentioned “MAGA chuds” – I don’t think Donald Trump is running a presidential campaign outside of the US. Thereby indicating I was, in fact, specifically talking about everybody in the US, at least if you have two brain cells to rub together. It’s okay, I won’t hold it against you if you don’t.
It’s not like they’ve got guns either.
yes I’m sure the fascists will abide by the legal system they’re… simultaneously working to dismantle or otherwise work around in order to destroy democracy. Yes. Definitely.
Even if we did, what would people do? Start randomly shooting at people who we think are fascists?
all that is needed for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing.
You are 100% right, just hope nobody views you as the fascist or the 2nd might be used against you.
Because all the vets have died off.
Don’t underestimate the backlash. The big, mellower, center segment of the population that is generally more chill isn’t in favor of fascist idiots.
Just, do what you can to help maintain motivation in the face of the fascist fear-train. Fear is their #1 tool, it’s the emotion that underpins their whole worldview. Control is simply a response to that fear. Without that underlying current of fear, though, how do they get people to grant them control?
Don’t underestimate the backlash.
Don’t overestimate it, either. Only about 1/3 of Germans were NAZIs even at the height of its popularity, but that didn’t stop Hitler from being a dictator.
Resistance takes work, not just hope that reasonable people will somehow prevail just because they’re the majority.
There is also a lot of people who are clueless or don’t care about the world around them or even treat their ignorance as a sort of virtue. 1/3 of Germans being Nazis don’t make the other 2/3 the resistance.
Yeah, fascism is growing, which is not good. Another thing that is not good is that the growing counterforce to fascism seems to be almost the exact same as it was in early 1900s, i.e. somewhat radical (practically fascistic) leftism.
Why try the same remedy again when it failed the last time?
We’re been living in an oligarchy since the mid 1970s, we’ve had a surveillance state since 2001 and the US government has been allowed to indefinitely detain people since whatever the year was when Obama signed the NDAA into law.
Our democracy was stolen long ago.
I think that instead of it being the end we will simply learn that fully fascist world is actually quite good for business and nothing will change for vast majority of people. I’m not saying it will be good. It will be worse, just not as bad as you think.
Unless you’re any color but white, or any gender but male.
Make up your mind. OP is also worried about India. Only white people will be fine in India? You pretend to be worried about the whole world but very quickly show that you’re actually only worried about the western countries.
Being that I live in Texas, it’s been really tough for me to worry about anything but over here. But you’re right, we’re certainly not the only place dealing with this kind of shit. Apologies.
fully fascist world is actually quite good for business
How does this work?
Same way capitalism and globalization is good for business? Right wing parties tend to oppose social policies and promote income inequality which is good for corporations. Again, not saying it will be good for us. Just that we’ve seen couple if shifts to the right like this already. In a decade or two it will shift back to the left. Except in US, there the empire will collapse but is questionable if it will be net negative for the world.
America eventually does the right thing after exhausting every other option.
I want to get mad at your apathy, but really, it just makes me sad.
Of course it won’t be the end. In the same way climate disaster isn’t the end of the world, but it is the end of the world as we know it.
A fascist takeover of many of the most powerful countries in the world wouldn’t mean the end for all, but it does mean the end for whoever is deemed “other”. In the case of 1930s/40s Germany, that was political opponents, Jews, disabled, and LGBT people.
Today and in the future, who knows what arbitrary definition of a person will be chosen to make people “other”. It could be anything from traditional hate categories like race or sexuality to something new like length of hair.
I don’t know what kind of person you are but you clearly feel confident that you won’t be one of the ones on the receiving end of violence and the fact you think that’s okay because it’s not happening to you is so… depressing. If you don’t have a moral compass for the sake of others, at least try and have one for the sake of yourself because as fascism rears its head, whatever demographic you fall into may be next at the receiving end of the violence.
First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me
you think that’s okay
Where did I say that? Just because I don’t agree with your extremely pessimist predictions means I think fascism is OK? WTF?
America, India, Hungary, Russia, Netherlands, Germany, Italy and Argentina.
America, India and Russia where a terrible, terrible places for democracy and minorities for decades now. Only because you’re just now waking up to this fact doesn’t mean the world is sliding into fascism.
Netherlands, Germany and Italy still operate inside EU and still follow all the rules. EU has powerful tools for enforcing those rules, they just managed to force Hungary to back down over Ukraine funding. Poland just had w big swing to the left, as did Spain. EU is sliding to the right, yes, but it’s more a typical, generational shift than embrace of fascism.
Argentina has terrible economic issues, their populism is completely different.
Basically what’s going on is that the American illusion of a democracy is finally collapsing and since I don’t think it’s the end of the world I’m OK with fascism. We all should hold hands with Americans and help them cope with the realization their country is not as great as they thought…
I really don’t think you understand what facism really is…I think you’re looking at Republicans flirting with openly enacting facism, and thinking “well, if it’s just to that degree it’ll be ok”
Facism is like this - you have an authoritarian group, and they promise a perfect world if only everyone believed their ideology.
But their ideology is garbage, and so we’re going to have problems. And so they’re going to look around and say “it’s LGBT people, they’re ruining everything!”. Then they’re going to directly or indirectly outlaw their existence, and use that to imprison them.
They’ll milk it for as long as they can… But as this goes on, you get more and more “true believers” who escalate and speed up the process
But that’s not going to fix anything, obviously. So they’ll look around again for people they can declare different… Maybe it’s black people, or Mexicans, or alleged spies from China. Maybe it’s stem workers, or college grads. Maybe it’s just anyone who doesn’t play along hard enough, and we go the ideological purity route
But again, that’s only going to make things worse, so they’ll have to find someone else to target. They require an enemy to blame for everything that goes wrong. And a lot is going to go wrong…
You can say this is all hyperbolic, but it’s really not. The Nazis started just like this, with book bans, control over education, and going after trans people. Then they went after political opposition, then things really got into swing.
Oh, ok, I see what’s going on here. You see, since you started listing all those other countries I thought you actually are referring to global situation. Now I see you’re only talking about USA, That’s why I said you’re exaggerating. USA is not the whole world. The world will be fine. USA taking more isolationist stance may even be good for everyone else. But thanks for explaining to me, an European, what fascism is. We really don’t know anything about it here. Only Americans understand this phenomenon. Can you also explain to me what democracy and freedom is?
just not as bad as you think.
Genocide is extremely bad
I guess what I’m saying is that there will be no world war or genocides. Was that really so difficult to understand? Like, you really think I was suggesting that genocide is not that bad?
I’m starting to love the groupthink here. “The world is ending. Yes, yes, it’s the end. Let’s down-vote anyone slightly less pessimistic”.
I guess what I’m saying is that there will be no world war or genocides.
Then you don’t understand fascism.
Like, you really think I was suggesting that genocide is not that bad?
People suggest that all the time.
Then you don’t understand fascism.
Ok, I guess we’ll see who was right in a couple of years. But I’m genuinely surprised so many people think we will have nuclear apocalypse in a couple of years. Sounds more like silly groupthink and coping than honest concern. But if you really think you’re a year or two away for unimaginable suffering or death I feel for you. Has to be terrible.
Pretty much all of history dealing with fascism disagrees with you. That alone justifies the concern. I haven’t seen anyone say the world is a year or two away from unimaginable suffering or death. But there is a very clear path to unimaginable suffering or death in front of us. We’ve seen the path of fascism taken before. We know what happens. We have historical and academic research that backs it up that we can compare to today.
Saying (without any evidence) that people are overreacting sounds much more like a coping mechanism to me. People are saying “hey we should really check out this smoke billowing under the door” and you’re telling everyone they’re being silly because you can’t see any fire.
Dude, the topic of this post is “2024 is going to be the beginning of the end of us all”. It says “No I’m not catastrophising.”, " I’m going to be crushed" and “The world is slowly lurching towards a fully fascist …”.
Now you’re trying to say it all just means “hey we should really check out this smoke billowing under the door”. Jesus fucking Christ, you really don’t see it? To prove how wrong I am claiming OP is exaggerating you yourself had to tone down his rhetoric by 90%. If the OP would say “Hey, we should be careful or the extreme right will take over and dismantle some of our rights” I would totally agree. But yeah, keep pretending he was reasonable and I disagreed with his totally rational, toned down arguments.
So what exactly are you disagreeing with? You just don’t like their word choice? Because “Hey we should he careful or the extreme right will take over and dismantle our rights” is exactly what I get from OP. They specifically stated this is the beginning, it’s happening slowly, and they feel they would be a target if we continue on the same trajectory. What’s incorrect/hyperbolic here?
Spoken like a good little bootlicker.
Best keep that tongue on that boot, lest it steps on you instead. Same goes for those businesses under a fascist government. I’m sure life will be good for them, especially if they don’t mind the taste of leather.
Remove their tongue from the boot, and business won’t be good for them.
I wonder what you’re doing about the imminent world war that’s so brave and non-bootlicking.
Speaking up and calling out fascist behavior. Not spending my money on businesses that promote fascists. Voting. Keeping my long barrel in good condition, may it never need to be used.
Soap, ballot, jury, and cartridge boxes, in that order.
So posting on lemmy and boycotting businesses you don’t like. Awesome.
Hey guys, don’t worry about the future, this guy will totally stop fascism. We’re fine.
Better than trying to lick my way to the center of a boot while making disingenuous jabs on Lemmy.
Sure sure, keep repeating that to yourself.
Even for a bootlicker, you seem especially bitter, sarcastic, and downtrodden. Might help to find someone licensed to talk that out. Ain’t healthy keeping it bottled up, and spewing vitriol on Lemmy doesn’t help anyone.
Nah, the world is doing fine, the US and Europe are the ones collapsing.
India, China, Russia, Japan, Australia, Indonesia, Venezuela: Yeah, nothing to worry about!
Funny no-one on Lemmy mentions the middle east.
Lol, leading with China, a whole process democracy with a 95 percent approval rating for the government and sustainable economic growth
See edit.
2024 is just 2020 part 5.
2024 is just 2020 4
Ahh the old inclusive vs. exclusive numbering.
2020 would be 2020 part 1, 2021 part 2, 2022 part 3, 2023 part 4, and finally 2024 part 5.
“Twenty-twenty-four is just twenty-twenty four.”
Touche
I urge you to touch grass
You can start by addressing the concerns of the (growing, albeit not yet majority of) people. Things like voicing concerns on automation, cost of living and immigration can’t be ignored and called “fascist” or “racist” to make them go away. You can’t shame people with real worries into quieting down.
Governments, at least here in the Netherlands, have worked on globalist ideas while ignoring their populace, this is now coming back to bite them.
Sweden is pretty much destroyed by globalists already.
What’s wrong with globalism?
Everything is becoming decentralized because it offers a fairer, more level playing field. Except in governance, where things move towards a consolidation of power under the guise of unity and progress with the net result being that the voice of the person becomes a distant cry.
I can hear that dog whistle from the other side of the planet.
It’s not concerns, it’s fear. The problems are not automation or immigration. The problem is empoverishment.
People fear about automation and immigration because they’re sold the idea that they must work or die, but there isn’t work for everyone. The liberals love this idea because it enslaves people to their work. Fascists love these ideas because it gives them an enemy to fight for a culture war.
And here you have an alliance of fascists and liberals. Exactly like in the 30s.
Wants that the concerns of people are taken seriously, but uses alt right dogwhistles like ‘immigration is a problem’ & ‘globalist are destroying this country’. Both are absolut non-problems of the common folk, but are used in line with real problems, like rising cost of living.
You, sir, are a clown.
What’s wrong with automation?
The word “fascist” has truly lost its meaning. Please stop using this word if you don’t understand the historical context behind it.
Downvoted, i think OP understands very well the historical context of the word.
They are using not just the same rhetorical frames as the Nazis, they are often using the same exact phrases and seeing autocratic rule. They are fascist movements.
“Don’t tell us what to do you fascist”
Is that the tldr? I didn’t read it.
Which word would you employ to address those seeking power through the scapegoating and targeted discrimination of minorities and vulnerable populations?
“Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.” Wikipedia
Fascism is on the rise. Ignoring it doesn’t make you look smarter.
My guy, Italian politicians literally publicly idolize the good ol’ days of Mussolini, and talk about Mussolini in a positive light, I think that’s worthy of the title fascist since they’re praising the guy who CREATED FASCISM.
And Putin, Orbán, and the AfD are incredibly undeniably fascist.
Hungary is seriously fucked up at the moment but calling it fascism is a huge stretch. It’s not like these fuckers actually believe in anything, they’ll just do whatever gets them the votes and the cash. Not that the tendencies aren’t worrying (in fact I’ve left the country because of them), but it’s not a full blown dictatorship yet. Source: am Hungarian.
Well, at least that will take your mind off global warming. Which is good since we have already hit 1.5°C of warming.
1.5 and we’re just getting started! Let’s goooooo! It’s incredible what humans can do when we work together 🔥👏🏻🔥👏🏻🔥
You are a horrible person to make me laugh so hard at our folly
I suggest target practice, that way you won’t get crushed by boots…and you can resist any fascist in your area, and encourage others in your immediate area to do the same.
Start a club, and then you can hold parties, where you show each other new knowledge, and help others to protect themselves…and fight against all the fascist hordes!
alright now im really confused. how does the world devolving into fascism bring complete anarchy? aren’t those completely different things?
John Brown gun club or Socialist Rifle Association are out there… also there are plenty of paramilitary and social fascist groups to protect yourself against. Proud boys, border nutjobs, don’t listen to naysayers about learning to defend yourself. It’s not just military with tanks and planes. It’s your back the blue neighbor you have to worry about…
This isn’t Red Dawn. People will quickly find out how inadequate they are against a military.
But odds are it won’t be the military. At least, not at first. It will most likely start with all those right-wing punisher-worshipping nutters who want an excuse to shoot ‘the liburlz’, with local cops either helping out or staying out of the way, and the government conveniently ignoring everything. Or at least, that’s how it’s tended to go in the past.
(See kristallnacht, Tulsa race massacre, Wilmington massacre, Rosewood massacre, Ocoee massacre…)
And those local assholes can be repelled with guns.
When real conflict begins domestically it will be drones being used by those in power. Guns won’t do much good.
Better learn spark gap jammers then
