Or for any other purpose?

Are we going to be scattered across the multiple discussions with AI on forums?

Will AI be marked as AI?

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    Lemmy and the fediverse is the opposite of privacy. Everything you do (as in: post, comment, like, follow, subscribe, block) is being recorded and shared with everyone. There is no need to sell data, because it is already public domain.

    In this way Lemmy is waaay worse for the users privacy than Reddit.

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      I would argue it is better this way. Why? well there are no ways to personally identify people on lemmy as its still mostly anonymous. You decide how personal you want to get. Also gets rid of the buying and selling altogether which means no money is made. Well atleast I would assume so.

      Its like selling the data of 4chan users, or forum posters. All publically available yet who would actually bother other than youtubers reading them for stories.

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    There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about how federated services work. Everything you do on Lemmy is broadcast to the world. Anybody who wants to can follow/subscribe to any account or community on Lemmy and the server hosting that account or community will send every post and every comment to the subscriber’s server as soon as it’s posted.

    The software they’re running doesn’t have to be Lemmy and doesn’t need to be very visible to end users. Admins who are looking for that kind of behavior might notice if the data harvester wasn’t trying to hide their activity, but even a modicum of effort would be sufficient to go unnoticed. They’d just look like any other self-hosted or single-user server running Mastodon, Pleroma, Misskey, etc…

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    IANAL but some thoughts

    • If I look at https://sh.itjust.works/legal I see tbd so I assume that the basic law applies to SJW meaning I retain copyright of what I publish, the instance owner is just a “web hosting provider”, and that I never consented to get any data shared meaning they can’t

    • If I look at https://legal.lemmy.world I don’t see any place where I am expected to give a perpetual irrevocable perpetual licence to commercially use the content I created (while it’s very clear on reddit), and the session about user data is pretty straightforward

    We do not sell or disclose user data under any condition, unless required by relevant data protection authorities, any other law enforcement authorities, or if the account owner requests the data themselves.

    I am not going to check every single instance, but basically, with my limited understanding of internet copyright/pricacy laws it means

    • The instance I’m logged in share my content (out of the strict minimum to get the federation working) it’s a copyright violation, this would also apply to someone downloading data from SJW (Which by sharing them would be a pirate, remember that the pirate bay owner have been jailed ? )

    • As I didn’t consent to get my personal data shared with third parties, they can’t share it. By personal data I mean the whole profile that reddit build from our post and sell to advertissement company (So OP like cat, live in city A, travels a lot, works at company B, run Linux and is interested in socialism and LGBT rights to take a cliché of the average lemming)

    With all of that, it seems it’ll be pretty illegal to train AI using lemmy’s data (with may-be the academic purpose exception). That said we all know that internet piracy is illegal but we all do it, and it seems that when Silicon valley billionaire do it, they get praised

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      You obviously consented that your data can be shared with all Lemmy/Fediverse instances federated with yours, and they can distribute it to Lemmy/Fediverse users - because that’s the basic premise of Lemmy.

      Now, I can host a Lemmy instances of my own and get all your posts that way. No need to bother buying them.

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    Lemmy won’t sell it, but anyone who wants the data just needs to make a federated instance to get it all for free.