*grabs popcorn*I mean…the state does have legitimate things to hide beyond their spying programs. Not every person that spills government secrets is as careful as Snowden.
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Sorry, but the cases are too different. The secrets of the government serve a completely different purpose than those of the citizens.
Is that justification for spying on civilians?
I never say that. Thats a straw man-argument.
The government is an illegitimate state. We live in a dictatorship on stolen indigenous ground. Fuck Charles and fuck the government.
Not all of us lived in America.
Or so you are told by people unwilling to be under strict oversight from independent authorities.
“I do this for good reasons, trust me” is not a valid argument.
“I do this for good reasons, trust me” is not a valid argument.
Yes. The problem is, when one country has had a intelligence agency and the other has not, the one with the agency has a advantage. At least, under the same conditions.
I see the tension between a republican (res publica, “thing of the public”) State and the existence of such secrets. The question is if a state without this could exist under the current circumstances. There are a lot room for doubts here, I fear.
Government always tries to establish as much power imbalance as possible
BUT BUT BUT THOSE ARE ILLEGAL TO SHARE
I don’t like Julian Assange, but I think that if he were found guilty of his crimes of espionage, that he has already served out more than a proportional sentence in exile.
the whole plan is to get him over here and then kill him or let him die of neglect.
Well, Epstein’s cell is empty at the moment.
May as well get in early.
Julian Assange didn’t kill himself.
The US hasn’t executed someone under espionage charges since the Rosenbergs.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_site
But in such things, the german version is usually more detailed.
Do you want to buy a bridge?
Formally anyway…
A lot like Gary Webb.
I suspect they’d prefer that he die in prison over there, but if not then in prison over here. I don’t think they want to ever take this to trial, because it’s been a farce from the start.
They literally dropped all the potentially credible charges they were first going for. Those prostitutes in Sweden? Long gone, as of 5 years ago. Hillary Clinton’s emails? Also dropped.
Those two women from Sweden were not prostitutes (and even if, it wouldn’t matter) and have themselves backtracked from pressing charges. They are also victims of this entire farce and have been instrumentalized.
Fair point, I meant to change that before I posted. I think I was getting confused with Trump and the prostitutes that peed on him.
Regardless of any judicial or legal red tape preventing that extradition, are we seriously operating under the assumption that the United States government would execute him?
are we seriously operating under the assumption that the United States government would execute him?
Legally, UK and EU courts must consider this, because sending someone to a country where they will be executed for their crimes is a breach of human rights.
By the strict reading of the law, he could be extradited for life in prison. If he was being extradited to be sentenced to death, that would be a no go.
The US are skirting and pushing the bounds of UK law here. Unfortunately, they will likely get away with it, because the English are pussies.
Does the uk not have a law against executions and if so would the not be breaking said law by extraditing him.
That’s exactly what they’re arguing here. However the US is trying to use a non-answer to avoid this, and in the past that’s worked.
Well doesnt that just fill you with confidence.
Well, can’t send him there then, right?
Bruh it’s the government. They have plenty of things to hide.
Man I really do enjoy reading the classifieds
Nothing to hide…
It’s the same reason I don’t support free speach: I’ve got nothing to say.
/s
False equivalence is false— but, sure, anything to make espionage seem OK
This post actually illustrates the opposite of your interpretation. Satire generally extrapolates on the actual real events with logical evolutions that demonstrate that the original premise was laughable at best, and at worst creates a double standard.
Seeing as this was posted in c/privacy, I believe the intent was rather to say “actually that whole ‘nothing to hide nothing to fear’ premise government espionage programs enjoy thrusting on their citizens is patently bullshit, and they know it, as despite saying it to you while spying on you they make it illegal to spy on them.”
Using paranoia to justify a logical fallacy - and espionage - isn’t a very good argument.
“Espionage” - Ed Snowden leaking PRISM docs
“Paranoia” - reading about it on WikipediaYou’re the only one who mentioned Edward Snowden
You’re right, I mentioned it because it seemed like a good counterexample to your reasoning.
… Apparently you agree?
I wish I were on the drugs you are to find the reason in the obviously logically flawed and contradictory madness you keep making of this.
But if you need to keep telling yourself that espionage is OK just because some governments engage in some forms of mass surveillance, then I can’t stop you from making a fool of yourself by saying so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I still think that both are bad, and I still find it pretty easy to argue both points without conflating the two logically fallaciously.
Thing is, even if we don’t agree, I think you could do better arguing either or both points without conflating the two. And I think you’d be more convincing, if you didn’t rely on conflating them. That’s what I’m trying to say, is that you’re not really wrong on one point, the other is logically fallacious, but that you’re wrong for trying to say that they’re related.
What did Edward Snowden do, if not technically espionage? Some other crime?
Sometimes, it’s good to do crimes. The more oppressive the government, generally speaking, then more good things might get turned into crimes. Criticism of the government. Protest. Etc.
Putin Alert! Putin Alert! This guy supports Vladimir Putin! He is undermining the US so that the Russians can invade! Also, the Chinese! Also the… uh… Cubans? Venezuelans? Quebecians? Idk, but its bad! They’re coming to take your freedom! Protect the NSA! PROTECT THE NSA! THEY STAND BETWEEN YOU AND TYRANNY!
Quebecians
😂
Canadian bacon!
Inb4 some Quebec person comes in and complains about “Quebecians”
I’ll allow it, in fact here in Quebecistan we call Cuba comrades. Always have. One of our favorite vacation destination too.
Phonecians are from phoenix.
played well.
This argument of “nothing to hide” always reminds me of Google, show me this man’s balls, please by Eric Andre.
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Say whatever you want, Snowden’s a fucking hero for sharing this.
Don’t forget the people that tried to blow the whistle on the NSA prior to Snowden
