Alt text: Using AI is the coolest new way to let people know you have no imagination of your own
The ability to speak doesn’t mean you’re intelligent.
I like these apps to help me come up with ideas for different story concepts.
Excuse me, I have no imagination but I don’t resort to AI
Based!
Okay. I write lyrics and have Suno turn them into full songs to make wife laugh. My wife laughs. But according to you I don’t have any imagination because I’m not a multivocal singer, can’t play any instruments, don’t have my own band to play for her on demand? Fuck off.
Yup, get good
For personal use I see little issue with it. If you, however, start publishing them, suppressing other voices and/or making money off of it, it becomes less clear.
Well, I’ve shared my creations because I think they’re funny too, and maybe other people will, but I’m not gonna put them on an album and sell them! I’m just arguing the creative side of it. Those tracks wouldn’t exist without my lyrics, and I typically go through a bunch of “takes” to get the melodies and rhythms I want, so for someone to say there’s no imagination involved feels thoroughly unfair to me.
AI art is real art because people get mad at it
Thomas Kinkade agrees. Or his ghost-artists do, anyway.
AI art is real art because people made it.
Good to see people finally stop being a bunch of reactionaries about it.
Artists make art using tools. AI is a tool. Bad artists still make bad art regardless of tools.
EDIT: Getting down voted by n00bs that don’t even know a DDIM from a Euler A but call folks ‘prompters’ like it’s derogatory.
You’ve still gotta be good at prompt engineering to make great AI art.
Like you said - it’s a tool which requires nuanced skill like any other art. It just happens to lower the barrier to entry a pretty significant amount
Anyone can make a work.
Not every work is art.
You know what, I’ll accept this.
lmao the proompter cope in this thread is real
Maybe other people just enjoy something and there’s no reason to put them down for it. I wish I knew something you enjoyed so I could make fun of you for it. Sad person.
ah yes im so very sorry, i should have kept the feelings of people who gladly feed on stolen labor and exploitation of the global south for their slop generator to work, in mind uwu
fuck outta here lmaoo
people who gladly feed on stolen labor and exploitation of the global south for their slop generator to work
What is this even supposed to refer to
besides the fact that the models are trained on stolen, copyrighted work, the output is trash without millions of man hours painstakingly tuning it: https://www.cjr.org/tow_center/qa-uncovering-the-labor-exploitation-that-powers-ai.php
of the global south
I meant this part specifically.
I already know y’all think storing the .01% of data derived from the images is theft. What’s the labor specifically being stolen from “the global south”??Edit: my bad for skimming the whole comment lol, I see now
Cope more LMAOOOOOOO
who needs imagination when you have algorithms to do the thinking for you? 😜
This was chat GPTs attempt at writing a funny reply to this post.
‘Write me a reply, that gets upvoted by the Lemmy OG IT bubble’ ;)
GPT: “What’s Lemmy, lol”
Not even the AI listens to our gibberish
ChatGPT is great for yapping about patriotism for a school history essay, but It’s completely unable to write anything useful or sensible. So I’ll keep on doing things like art, storywriting and programming myself, but I’ll use whatever cheats I have available for the pointless things I’m forced to do.
don’t let this turn into r/196
What happened to r/196?
They have an irrational hateboner for anything AI related
I understand not liking AI but you don’t have to be a jerk to aphantasics to do it
Aphantasiacs have imagination though, it’s just not images
You are correct, what would be the correct term for this? I tried looking up ‘no imagination’ and all I got was results about aphantasia.
That and you need to be pretty imaginative to get some nice results from prompts
“boobs big tits heavy chesticles smothering me to death”
Nice
The modern Leonardo da vinci, ladies and gentlemen
Sure, put it on the pile of other big titty pictures no one will ever look at twice.
They’re a replacement for skills and knowledge, not imagination.
This is why people point out that they lack skills and knowledge.
I am all of the issues to some degree and AI outputs to me* just seem like dairy-free maple-coconut water cheese. So personally I’ll just stick with nothing (substantial) until the format/workflow that I’m looking for (hopefully) becomes viable for me.
Luckily writing a book or painting hyper-realism are not the only type of creativity.
(also funnily enough, AI currently is just a different set of skills/knowledge especially for the better results or wrangling custom inputs/training/adjustments etc)
*= Particularly what I can run locally, w/a 1050Ti. But also just really most examples of AI (aside from maybe the stuff that is either extremely overproduced/hand-picked or potentially faked)
I prefer to do it the old fashioned way:
As much as I have issues with AI, I feel like it would actually help you get your imagination set down in a way you could actually show people? Like I can think of a wonderful scene in my head, but I can’t even draw a straight line with a ruler and you want me to draw that scene? Hell no, and lack of ability isn’t lack of imagination, it’s just a skill issue.
Drawing however is a vital part of the creative process. Creativity is not only about getting your mental image on paper, but also to learn and hone your limits as an artist.
Bob Ross said that stuff about “happy little accidents” for a reason.
Trust me there are a lot of accidents with AI generators
But they’re never interesting. It’s never due to some human factor, but always a “huh, I guess the stochastic model doesn’t work properly.”
You can definitely input the wrong words in your prompt, swap the positive and negative prompts, forget to select the correct controlnet pre-processor. These errors do turn out interesting results, I wish I had some to show you. How much experience do you have working with this stuff?
I’d argue that creativity shouldn’t be linked to technical skill. I’ve met people who have really creative ideas and solutions that they couldn’t carry out because they couldn’t weld, machine, do carpentry, paint, draw, or otherwise carry out their idea. Are they not creative? Sure, to be a great artist you need those skills, and using AI does not make you an artist as a result, but using AI to demonstrate your creativity shouldn’t be demonised. Creating AI using other people’s IP without their permission should be demonised.
So a paraplegic can’t be creative? 🤔
Or, let me rephrase because this is a serious question testing the limits of your statement: what impact would you say being a paraplegic has on someone’s ability to create art, given that (according to you) they cannot perform such critical parts of the creative process?
Of course paraplegics can create art. The vital part is “uutting the work in” and being playful with your limits. Paraplegics still hve limits, don’t they?
The usual argument goes “finally, I can create art that ‘looks good’”. But “looking good” isn’t really the main point of art. It’s a human expression and that includes supposed “mistakes”.
“Not being able to draw” is indeed a limit, one I share with *quadriplegics as another commenter was kind enough to correct me (😅).
Using a tool to break that limit sure seems like playing with limits to me, sifting through iterations and refining prompts sure sounds like a drafting process, and changing elements with inpainting to stitch together your drafts into something close to what you have in your head sure sounds like revision. All of this, which can take hours or days of you want to be so exacting, sounds like “putting the work in”.
Does using AI suddenly mean you can draw? Of course not. But I don’t think it’s at all fair to say using AI means someone has no imagination.
Well first off, most paraplegics still have use of their arms, so drawing should not be a problem there.
Quadriplegics have access to digital interfaces and there are many example of an artists who use their mouths to paint. Henry Salas has lost function in 90% of his body and has been a digital artist for over a decade. https://www.henrysalas.com/digital-art
Well first off, most paraplegics still have use of their arms, so drawing should not be a problem there
Lol fair enough, my bad, I’m still shaking off the sleep, I did mean quadriplegics!
So then in this view it’s not just using your extremities to create art, but any part of your body, which is a crucial part of the process. Your mouth, a foot, a nostril - all valid bodily extensions to interface with the world and create “real art” with.
But language is another interface between someone’s mind and the world; why is that not a valid extension to create art with? What about people who generate their AI art piecemeal, using inpainting and careful prompting to correct features they don’t want? What about professional photographers using their existing knowledge of photography to create award-winning compositions entirely with AI? Is it fair to say these people have no imagination?
Dunno man, sounds like an imagination issue.
Sounds like you can’t imagine how shit I am at art
The issue is when people use chatgpt or whatever to form a reply for them, like i get that people can’t draw hence cannot implement said imagination, but…word? It doesn’t have to be fancy, just type out what they have in mind. It happened right in Lemmy as well.
Look up what people used to say about digital art and tell me if history repeats itself or not
I mean in all fairness, the difference is way more significant. Going from drawing to drawing on a screen is a bit different from drawing to typing text and letting a computer actually do most the work for you.
I was actually there. The backlash against digital art usually came from:
- people who were otherwise already elittist towards one or two painting styles and media,
- art gallery regulars (they can’t sell JPEGs or PSDs),
- poor people as back then graphics tablets were way more expensive and alternatives to Wacom also worse (the patents for their battery-free pens haven’t expired yet), thus it was cheaper to buy paint and/or markers.
😮💨
You can do wild shit that’s barely possible with any other tools.
You can feed in images instead of text, or alongside it, and turn blobby sketches into photoreal renders.
You can describe contradictory nonsense and get a decent effort to square the circle.
You can keep saying more, more, more, and get exaggerations revealing an adjective’s visual essence.
… but yeah, folks keep posting “woman naked anime” five hundred brainless images at a time. So few people are even making comics with this shit. Do they not understand each panel is its own little drawing? You piece together what you need. Story exists in the edit. Not even the people with a paragraph of “Remember, if you lose–” dialog in ev-er-y fucking image have figured out they can just show that now.
