I have no idea what any of you are talking about and it’s great!
Me, the mystery dude in the game server who doesn’t have a mic, doesn’t use any voice features, never text chats, but always shows up and plays.
Omg… he finally speaks
I’m absolutely still using teamspeak. Nice and light, and it let’s us run a soundboard plugin that let’s you have unlimited length audio clips. I just wish they’d update the plugin to support the 64-bit version.
Once Discord embraces enshittification, we will meet again. :)
Mumble better
Discord enshittification is well under way, just this week I have started seeing ads in the client just above the voice channel status in the bottom left. Cancelled my Nitro immediately, no point if they are going to shove ads in my face anyway.
Currently looking at alternatives, Revolt looks promising, and can be self hosted.
Bullshit. Pics or it didn’t happen. You might have seen a quest, where if you stream a specific game to your friends you get a free in-game item, but these are not advertisements.
Additionally, you can click on it and tell it to never show you any more quests.
Either that or you’re bitching about discord telling you that it has added more voice channel mini games.
You might have seen a quest, where if you stream a specific game to your friends you get a free in-game item, but these are not advertisements.
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Advertising is the practice and techniques employed to bring attention to a product or service. Advertising aims to put a product or service in the spotlight in hopes of drawing it attention from consumers
I have no interest in streaming “quested” games, and whatever deal Discord has done with the developer to encourage users to engage with such games (and by extension the game’s microtransaction economy), and regardless of what they call it, is by definition an advertisement. If you can’t see that, then you are an ad campaign exec’s wet dream. Either that, or a troll.
[Matrix] is the most promising option right noe, having an ecosystem and eee
Schildi Chat is probably the best client I have spotted, full voice and video chat functionality in browser. People do way less hemming and hawing about downloading an app if they’ve already been able to try it out in web - just like discord
No need when you have free software Mumble + Murmur :)
Isn’t mumble hot garbage? My planet side outfit memes on it whenever it gets brought up.
Mumble is like a reliable Toyota Corolla. You will turn no heads, but it has all the features you would need for the task (encryption, room hierachies, ACL, machine-learning-enhanced noise canceling, positional audio, choice of method input like push-to-talk, mini UI overlay atop games), and does them efficiently.
…And like a Toyota Corolla, there’s probably a decent upgrade out there, but you might be compromising on more than you think. Want a car without the manufacturer tracking you or bloated, touch-screen navigation? Many ‘modern’ VoIP options, especially proprietary ones, are literally doing the latter.
Ironic that traditionally Nitro makes things happen faster, probably in this case as well
What do you mean? Genuine question, I’m loosely familiar with the the issues with Discord having it’s growing issues with data and advertising but I assumed Nitro was the worst element.
The joke in my brain was that Nitro is fast tracking the enshittification of discord
Oh, I still use Teamspeak! It’s very nice for small groups up to 32 people (after that one has to use the paid tiers). I do not use X though.
Maybe I’ll give Mumble a shot, so I can integrate it with Matrix/Synapse/Element.
would recommend trying out mumble, it’s pretty slick.
Yeah, I feel like the OP picture is more of a commentary about the overlap, or lack of overlap, between people who use ts, and people that use the service formerly known as Twitter.
Didn’t know mumble could work together with matrix but makes sense
Have to test it but guides suggest that it’s possible
Does mumble integrate with Element?
There are mumble -> matrix bridges you can set up. It doesn’t integrate with element, it integrates with matrix, for which matrix is a client.
Those are text bridges though are they not?
I refuse to use discord, it is basically malware. Selfhosting is the only way, and TS3 works great for that.
Isn’t TeamSpeak proprietary though?
Yes, but free
If you can’t audit the source code of the program, how do you know if TeamSpeak isn’t malware?
Not everything has to be foss, it is in company’s best interest to not make it as malware. In last 20 years that I have had TS installed on my server and client, have I had it act like malware. Discord in the other hand has instantly caused issues. Not saying that TS3 doesn’t have had bugs, ofc it has had.
So you’re just trusting them to not do anything bad?
I know that discord is doing bad shit, so yes.
How often you read the source codes of your tool?
I may not read the source code of every tool I use, but even if the average user doesn’t read the source code, having it available for inspection by others in the community increases security, trust, and overall software quality. All a user really has to do is look at the license of the software they use, typically a GPL or similar license, and consider how reputable it is. Not only that, but if you’re on Linux already, you can just get most of the software from your distro’s repositories.
If you can trust them not to do anything bad then they can trust you with the source
how is discord malware?
Huge RAM usage, wierd crashes, causes random lag in games, constant enshittification on-going. No thanks.
That’s not malware, that’s just a bad product
hyperbole, ever heard about it?
Can you use it in a sentence?
“Discord is bad product, hyperbolically said, it works like a malware.”
Tricks you into believing discord is composed of “servers” when it is in fact all centralized under discord’s direct control. Tricks you into believing private messages are private when they are in fact not encrypted at all. Discord’s business itself is shady
They’re called direct messages, not private messages. They’re not tricking anyone into thinking anything lmao
No, but the entire point of renaming Private Messages to Direct Messages was exclusively so people would have the mindset you do.
Umm… People have been using the phrase “Direct message (DM) me” since forever in the game and online comms world. Private message wasn’t a concept until after DMs were later encrypted. And we always knew, that if we didn’t control the servers, even encrypted, those messages were subject the server operators.
Your logic is giving me the impression that you’re younger and didn’t go through these experiences.
No, the term PM has been around before DM was the norm. Forums generally used the term PM. Ironically, not remembering PMs being the term prior to DM is making me think you’re younger for not remembering it.
You’re right. Had to dig into my memory for this one and fact check myself.
IRC, BBS, and most forums (of the era) used PM or SP. MUCKs and a few other tools used Whisper. ICQ introduced “IM me”. Part of me remebers using the term “DM” for IRC messages, but I used IRC fairly regularly well into the 2010s.
However, the forum I spent a ton of my younger years on used “Direct Messages” which has likely polluted my memory. Since it was a technology related forum, that was probabaly a customization from the operator to distance everyone from the idea of “private” since everything was clear-text and unencrypted back then. That or I’m confusing “IM me” from the ICQ/AIM/MSN days.
Point being, nobody thought “PM” meant secure and not visible to the server operators back then. It just meant that only you, the recipient, server operators, and 1337 h4xx0rz could see your messages.
What a trip down edited memory lane that was. Thanks for fact checking me.
Actually I am not younger, DM’s had always been Private Messages to me up until Facebook/MySpace and more people began flocking to the internet.
I have never been under the impression PMs were unreadable by the people operating the service I send them on.
The “servers” are actually called “guilds” in the API.
Servers are just a marketing term
They’re called servers in the UI though. Also, confusingly, there is a new feature coming called guilds.
Lol wut, they never claimed servers were independently controlled. Maybe you just didn’t look into what you were signing up for.
When you go use different servers on Minecraft realms are you under any impression those are not controlled by Microsoft?
When you choose a different server on World of Warcraft do you think it’s a non-blizzard server?..
Like just because you put yourself into a state of bad false assumptions didn’t mean they tried to trick you. People have been saying this about discord from the beginning you just never cared to look.
Did you actually think this or are you just inventing a person in your mind that this has happened to? Lol
drop version 5 and people might start fucking using it again.
Mumble even though it’s literally dead, is a better platform.
Matrix and XMPP both support this shit also. This is literally a skill issue.
At a glance it looks like Mumble is not dead at all, latest “preview” release is from last month
i dont think the software is “dead dead” but i think it’s dead from the aspect that it seems to be stagnant, which to be clear, isn’t a bad thing. It just feels a little bit like it’s still 2012 everytime you open mumble.
It’s a tad bit disappointing, considering i love it so much. But i don’t think anything else will properly replace it.
Still hosting TS as the primary place my friends record things because of the audio quality and especially reliability compared to Discord, but not so much for hangouts anymore. Got Mumble in the back pocket in case the licensing goes to crap though
Team skeet moment
Here I am self-hosting Mumble for friends & using Mumble at work. Old tech was built to actually be good on resources.
+1 for Mumble. I set up a load of Android PoC devices with a Mumble server and it’s honestly like having walkie-talkies that work over the Intertubes.
My phone has extra buttons, so I use the camera shutter for hardware push-to-talk
If you didn’t play EverQuest with Roger Wilco, don’t even talk to me about voice chat.
I still self host my TS3 for my nerd herd, and as an EvE online player (currently trying to win, but thats hard), you have to be fluent in all voip solutions as they all have different requirments and say a lot about your group.
Discord - small group, utilizing free services, may have an auth tool, used to keep in contact with people from old groups. Remember kids, if the product is free, you are the product
TS3 - mid-sized group (100-1000 players) requires a real IT team, will have an authentication system and generally will have their shit together. Ease of set up is handy, but admin user accounts can break servers.
Mumble - Welcome to the big leagues. (1K+ players) The resources you require now require resources in meat-space and are rather substantial. You need real IT security and people on a payroll. It will drive your admins nuts for about a week setting everything up, but once its done, you wont have to touch it again.
Ventrilo - old school WoW player…
How would mumble take a week to spin up?
There is a difference between having it turn on and hardening it against DDOS attacks while haveing 500 nerds try to use it as coms for massive videogame fights (this has happened, its against the games rules, but it has happened). If you can do that in a day, please empart your wisdom.
Serious EVE players are something else. The mention about IT security isn’t a hyperbole, some EVE players take the espionage meta-game very seriously, and even though it’s not only against the rules but also illegal, that’s not gonna stop them. I mean, once they literally got someone to turn off electricity for a whole town just so they can win a fight (I tried to find a link to the article, because I’m 90% sure I did read about it somewhere, but I can’t manage to find it anywhere, if anyone has a link. Maybe it was just a rummor, or an unexecuted plan?)
No joke last time I launched team speak was scary lmao. I didn’t have my server anymore so my buddies and I joined a random one. As we were chilling and gaming random people joined in and called us the n word and then left over the course of our session lol definitely felt like a 360 CoD lobby
Shit, that’s a real post. The whole account is just talking about how nobody uses TeamSpeak anymore.
That’s a pretty sweet paid gig for someone who does professional PR.
Very pathetic in any other scenario though.
Still need it for arms radio mods
