Chat control is back on the agenda again and the works is kept in secret.
Chat, is this real?
Spam 1 if we should be worried
Everybody needs to switch to Simplex/Briar/Threema/Molly ASAP. If like to see them try and ban F-droid LMAO
Aren’t all (most?) those centralized services? What good is having the app if the service is unavailable? Tox, Jamie and Veilidchat are fully decentralized, not just federated, fully decentralized. They come with their own downsides though…
Apologies, yes Threema and Molly are centralized since they depend on proprietary servers. SimpleX and Briar are FOSS and P2P over TOR
Correction. Briar is true p2p, while Simplex relies on servers - but said servers can be hosted by anyone and interoperate.
For fuck’s sake, guys, c’mon! Do we have to do this again, really?
Again and again, as many times as it takes to get through, apparently
Wasn’t this just shut down…?
No, it was withdrawn, removed from the agenda so there was no vote, now it’s back on.
To add on this: removed because it was clear the vote would not have been in favor.
Was pretty clear that it would return sooner rather than later.
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They will try until it passes. And if it’s stopped in the courts they will try again.
You guys should bring over some judges from the US courts. They will totally protect your freedoms.
You need to mark sarcasm with /s.
If this is not a joke: the US has the worst privacy protection laws on this planet. Laws in China are almost better. And ironically the worst laws for freedom aswell. There is a reason why we have the GDPR laws in the EU that prohibits any user data transfer to US servers.
You need to mark sarcasm with /s.
I’ll be sure to do that in the future /s
Yeah, same with forcing ISPs to save connection data on all users long term. European court slapped on the hands a couple of times, still not done. Like some kind of undead policy
Yeah, same as the last 15 times they tried.
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I will make a request and then post it.
Pleasepleaseplease don’t forget, we must see it!
I have made a request but i dont have time to read if it okey to share :/ it also takes 15 days to get the documents :/
Just check if it’s legal first.
Lmao at people downvoting good advice. I sure hope those mongoloids downvoting you don’t get an aneurysm from their stupidity or something (whoops, almost forgot they wouldn’t understand sarcasm without an /s!)
At least one of your down votes is for being racist and ableist. Could you remove it?
Now it’s really starting to look suspicious and power abusive.
starting?
This is from July 11th. Nothing new as of now that I’ve seen.
But closer to October we should be on the lookout.
“Starting looking suspicious”, huh?
Here I meant that their previous attempts were less shady, even though the intentions were suspicious. Now the methods of getting this law passed are getting suspicious too.
I gonna lose my shit… How can they force it this much
They only need it to pass once, we need it to be rejected every single time.
This right here. We need to do the right thing over and over again, because once it passes it’s done.
Literally how hackers operate.
The hackers need to succeed once to get in. You need to succeed every time to not fail.
thats because they want to watch you much much closer, but still pretend that decision was democratic. so they try again until we are too fed up to care.
Here we go again
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Shady as fuck too.
I just requested it. Shame on them for trying to keep this in the shadows, bunch of crooks.
Thanks. Keep up the good work.
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Here it is
What is chat control?
From what I can glean, it’s another sort of mass surveillance, wherein the provider of a chat service would be required to monitor communications for “suspicious activity”
Basically, the government is once again asking for unrestricted access to your personal life “for your own good”
I mean, it’s almost fun thinking of how they’d react to my porn selection.
I always thought the “see something, say something” tag-line was creepy as fuck and don’t understand why everyone doesn’t get the same vibe. It’s common sense that if you see someone being harmed or in a harmful situation you speak up. But this is just a blanket “see something” which feels like a dog whistle for all the nosy and paranoid people to spy on everyone and it’s for the best. I guess we’ll have the same personalities in search algorithms going forward -_-
Right there with you.
Sadly, too many people don’t put in the mental effort to verify what they’re told.
I suspect we’re all susceptible to this to greater/lesser degrees, and subject-dependent. I just can’t figure out my own blind spot around this.
This flowchart explains it well:
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Oh sorry! Yeah it seems the flowchart wasn’t updated, there’s a section on the website beneath clarifying the recent changes proposed which includes this:
Scanning would be limited to visual content and URLs
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and then those fuckers will disregard it again as “automated spam”…
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Shit here we go again.
Already posted about months ago : https://lemmy.ml/post/16469106, it was refused but they will try each time, again and again. Waiting for the 4 September result.
80s and 90s = peak humanity.
Dunno. Our humanity was born from 80s and 90s too.
It still was a better time. No climate collapse, no mass surveillance, no Trump, no AI, pretty much nothing of this shit existed.
Dunno, my cousins’ dad was a 17yo soldier. One can say it was a better time cause he was on the winning side, and now that has become the losing side.
Mass surveillance was more old-school, but governments were still pretty harsh.
They had Trump. He just was younger, Democrat and apparently popular.
They had AI in your spam mail.
Climate collapse … again, where half my family is from, war broke logistics in the 90s, so to have heat at winter people would cut down trees. A lot of forest lost. But one can say it was a better time because “the world” cared more about civilians suffering than about forests. I suspect now climate activists would act differently.
Again, no climate crisis + no mass surveillance + cheaper housing = do not give a shit. Were it for me, 70s, 80s and 90s on a loop forever. You lose something from the loop? Tough shit, your problem, not mine.
You lose something … ? Tough shit, your problem, not mine.
Yuuup. Sorry, whenever I complained about climate change on Reddit I was just shrugged with “oh well, too late, you’ll die”, “muh China/India/feedback loops”, “just move North”. So, they give me back the climate, the economy and the freedom of the 80s and then I’ll care again.
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Depends on where you were in the 80s and 90s. If you were in America, the future EU, or Eastern Asia, for example, those were great times. If you were in Rwanda, Bosnia, or Afghanistan (The Soviet-Afgan war) I doubt many people call that peak humanity.
Yaddayaddayadda Rwanda yaddayaddayadda Bosnia, heard these bullshit excuses 1000 times. Not Rwandan or Yugoslavian therefore don’t care.
What excuses are you referring to?
Are you also arguing that if a problem isn’t in your immediate periphery then it doesn’t exist? We are all human beings, living on the same planet.
There’s nothing wrong with feeling a modicum of empathy for those less fortunate by circumstance of geography or socioeconomic influence.
Again, no climate crisis + not Rwandan/Yugoslavian = not my problem. Were it for me, 80s and 90s on a loop forever.
Thats a great account to block. Thank you.
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I’m so done
That’s the idea. State actors can keep this up for decades while we the people end up exhausted. Stay vigilant, brother.
Or remember that you don’t have to be a wizard to
You are absolutely right. Not doing anything is playing their game.
Yea but is anything making this stuff fun
