Chat control is back on the agenda again and the works is kept in secret.
Chat, is this real?
Spam 1 if we should be worried
Everybody needs to switch to Simplex/Briar/Threema/Molly ASAP. If like to see them try and ban F-droid LMAO
Aren’t all (most?) those centralized services? What good is having the app if the service is unavailable? Tox, Jamie and Veilidchat are fully decentralized, not just federated, fully decentralized. They come with their own downsides though…
Apologies, yes Threema and Molly are centralized since they depend on proprietary servers. SimpleX and Briar are FOSS and P2P over TOR
Correction. Briar is true p2p, while Simplex relies on servers - but said servers can be hosted by anyone and interoperate.
For fuck’s sake, guys, c’mon! Do we have to do this again, really?
Again and again, as many times as it takes to get through, apparently
Now it’s really starting to look suspicious and power abusive.
This is from July 11th. Nothing new as of now that I’ve seen.
But closer to October we should be on the lookout.
starting?
“Starting looking suspicious”, huh?
Here I meant that their previous attempts were less shady, even though the intentions were suspicious. Now the methods of getting this law passed are getting suspicious too.
Shit here we go again.
Already posted about months ago : https://lemmy.ml/post/16469106, it was refused but they will try each time, again and again. Waiting for the 4 September result.
I gonna lose my shit… How can they force it this much
thats because they want to watch you much much closer, but still pretend that decision was democratic. so they try again until we are too fed up to care.
They only need it to pass once, we need it to be rejected every single time.
This right here. We need to do the right thing over and over again, because once it passes it’s done.
Literally how hackers operate.
The hackers need to succeed once to get in. You need to succeed every time to not fail.
The only way to combat this is to vote the assholes out at the end of their term.
Extreme leftists are getting a little too comfortable all over the world it seems.
I hope this is sarcasm
Friendly reminder that 10-15 years ago laws in this general direction were usually stuffed into leftist bottles.
Not anymore, but it would be a mistake to forget this.
I don’t think this is a political issue. There is support for this kind on legislation across political lines.
The only way to stop this is to call out the leadership who is wanting this. That means breaking down political barriers so that a leader or representative can be called out my all. When things become political you end up seeing politically leaning organizations ignoring representatives who are of the same political party. It becomes more of political slander than actual concerns.
The content of this document is not accessible. Nevertheless, a request for access can be sent to the Access to documents department.
Shady as fuck too.
I just requested it. Shame on them for trying to keep this in the shadows, bunch of crooks.
Thanks. Keep up the good work.
please respond here if you get any response
80s and 90s = peak humanity.
Dunno. Our humanity was born from 80s and 90s too.
It still was a better time. No climate collapse, no mass surveillance, no Trump, no AI, pretty much nothing of this shit existed.
Dunno, my cousins’ dad was a 17yo soldier. One can say it was a better time cause he was on the winning side, and now that has become the losing side.
Mass surveillance was more old-school, but governments were still pretty harsh.
They had Trump. He just was younger, Democrat and apparently popular.
They had AI in your spam mail.
Climate collapse … again, where half my family is from, war broke logistics in the 90s, so to have heat at winter people would cut down trees. A lot of forest lost. But one can say it was a better time because “the world” cared more about civilians suffering than about forests. I suspect now climate activists would act differently.
Again, no climate crisis + no mass surveillance + cheaper housing = do not give a shit. Were it for me, 70s, 80s and 90s on a loop forever. You lose something from the loop? Tough shit, your problem, not mine.
You lose something … ? Tough shit, your problem, not mine.
Yuuup. Sorry, whenever I complained about climate change on Reddit I was just shrugged with “oh well, too late, you’ll die”, “muh China/India/feedback loops”, “just move North”. So, they give me back the climate, the economy and the freedom of the 80s and then I’ll care again.
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Depends on where you were in the 80s and 90s. If you were in America, the future EU, or Eastern Asia, for example, those were great times. If you were in Rwanda, Bosnia, or Afghanistan (The Soviet-Afgan war) I doubt many people call that peak humanity.
Yaddayaddayadda Rwanda yaddayaddayadda Bosnia, heard these bullshit excuses 1000 times. Not Rwandan or Yugoslavian therefore don’t care.
What excuses are you referring to?
Are you also arguing that if a problem isn’t in your immediate periphery then it doesn’t exist? We are all human beings, living on the same planet.
There’s nothing wrong with feeling a modicum of empathy for those less fortunate by circumstance of geography or socioeconomic influence.
Again, no climate crisis + not Rwandan/Yugoslavian = not my problem. Were it for me, 80s and 90s on a loop forever.
Thats a great account to block. Thank you.
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british flag and EU? what?
Probably referring to the fact that the following text is in English (as opposed to German).
I live in Europe, but not in a EU country. Is there anything I can contribute with?
Say the thing to the most people and the dangers associated
What is chat control?
From what I can glean, it’s another sort of mass surveillance, wherein the provider of a chat service would be required to monitor communications for “suspicious activity”
Basically, the government is once again asking for unrestricted access to your personal life “for your own good”
I always thought the “see something, say something” tag-line was creepy as fuck and don’t understand why everyone doesn’t get the same vibe. It’s common sense that if you see someone being harmed or in a harmful situation you speak up. But this is just a blanket “see something” which feels like a dog whistle for all the nosy and paranoid people to spy on everyone and it’s for the best. I guess we’ll have the same personalities in search algorithms going forward -_-
Right there with you.
Sadly, too many people don’t put in the mental effort to verify what they’re told.
I suspect we’re all susceptible to this to greater/lesser degrees, and subject-dependent. I just can’t figure out my own blind spot around this.
I mean, it’s almost fun thinking of how they’d react to my porn selection.
This flowchart explains it well: Source
Text as well? Because then they sure as hell did a nasty little change from their last (failed) draft.
Oh sorry! Yeah it seems the flowchart wasn’t updated, there’s a section on the website beneath clarifying the recent changes proposed which includes this:
Scanning would be limited to visual content and URLs
I wasn’t aware of URL either.
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – for ever” (1984 - George Orwell).
It was a good line but his general prediction was, thankfully, wrong. With caveats, we’re not at all where 1984 forecast we would end up. Humans turn out to be more allergic to oppression than he imagined.
I dunno, I see a LOT of what he said existing today, especially the level of surveillance and control.
I highly recommend “Taking Control of Your Personal Data” by prof. Jennifer Golbeck, published by The Teaching Company, ISBN:978-1629978390, likely available at your local library as a DVD or streaming.
I think it’s the third episode where she clarifies how extensive online surveillance is - I was surprised, it was even greater than even my paranoic mind thought.
I can’t see it as streaming or DVD. But I can see it as an audiobook and on great courses plus website.
If anyone finds the video version I’d be appreciative.
Not yet
It is meant to be a warning
Sure, but I do think he would be pleasantly surprised by how things turned out. Aldous Huxley saw the future better. This is not a particularly original analysis.
IMO Orwell’s real insight was about the importance of clarity and truth in language, as a protection against political manipulation. That really was revolutionary.
I suggest all of us to send a mail to the representatives of our country as Patrick Beyer suggests.
Feel free to post a list of emails.
and then those fuckers will disregard it again as “automated spam”…
I had 1 response when I sent a mail to this list the previous time I sent them all a mail.
We’ll see.
Belgian representatives:
gerolf.annemans@europarl.europa.eu, maria.arena@europarl.europa.eu, pascal.arimont@europarl.europa.eu, marc.botenga@europarl.europa.eu, geert.bourgeois@europarl.europa.eu, saskia.bricmont@europarl.europa.eu, olivier.chastel@europarl.europa.eu, filip.deman@europarl.europa.eu, cindy.franssen@europarl.europa.eu, assita.kanko@europarl.europa.eu, philippe.lamberts@europarl.europa.eu, benoit.lutgen@europarl.europa.eu, sara.matthieu@europarl.europa.eu, frederique.ries@europarl.europa.eu, marc.tarabella@europarl.europa.eu, kathleen.vanbrempt@europarl.europa.eu, tom.vandendriessche@europarl.europa.eu, tom.vandenkendelaere@europarl.europa.eu, johan.vanovertveldt@europarl.europa.eu, hilde.vautmans@europarl.europa.eu, guy.verhofstadt@europarl.europa.eu
I’m so done
That’s the idea. State actors can keep this up for decades while we the people end up exhausted. Stay vigilant, brother.
You are absolutely right. Not doing anything is playing their game.
Yea but is anything making this stuff fun
Or remember that you don’t have to be a wizard to