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“Blacks and whites should be equal.” Would have been considered hate speech in 1890.
Does this apply to all works of fiction, or only those believed by extremist groups?
I can understand not being allowed to burn historically significant documents and books, but mass-produced books are just cheap fire tinder.
If this goes through, my wife might get her wish when I disparage the Harry Potter books.
I’m too pretty for prison.
Just get an ass infection.
If a book is important to one or more ethnic groups, burning it is a hate crime, period. Being mass produced has nothing to go with it.
Islam is an ethnic group?
How about no burning anything in public? It’s a stupid thing to do and proves nothing, risks starting unintended fires, or people injuring themselves, etc.
LOL. Of course, I don’t advocate for burning things just to burn things.
I just don’t think that burning your own books should be considered a crime.
Burning stuff is a classic protest move though, and that shouldn’t be restricted either - within safety limits of course; i.e. Don’t leave your burning flag, book, bra, whatever where it might destroy unrelated stuff.
The centre-right government said it wanted to send a signal to the world.
That Denmark negotiates with terrorists?
Depends on how they plan to handle it. If a new law was formed specifically around the Quran, there might be a case.
But if it’s outlawing book burning in general, that’s quite another story.
Personally, I don’t understand why a law like that isn’t already in place after WW2.
But if it’s outlawing book burning in general, that’s quite another story.
“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” The intended target of this law is crystal clear.
Absolutely. Which is why we’ll look at the wording of such a law very carefully.
Then I envy you, that your legislators are competent and honest enough to do so.
You misunderstood the article. They plan on jailing them now.
Jailing the protesters, not the terrorists, no?
Fuck the Quran
Burn whatever you want, hate whoever you please. It is unpleasant however better than the thought police sending you to the ice prisons for ungood ideas. This idea that censorship stops anything but innovation and creativity is ludicrous.
Burn whatever you want, hate whoever you please.
Things a Nazi would say for 200, Alex.
It is unpleasant however better than the thought police sending you to the ice prisons for ungood ideas.
Better for whom? Not for the victims of hate crimes, of course.
Better for racists lol
Yfw when you can’t say slurs without consequences
What about burning “The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster” or “Dianetics” books? Or Harry Potter, or LOTR books?
The law includes all religious texts. If an organization achieves religious status it will have the same protections.
Loads of people burnt Harry Potter books online over the last few years since Rowling went mental over LGBT issues.
Lots of people burned them when they were released because they are morons. Now I bet they defend her because she expresses hate towards the same people they hate.
That’s messed up, whatever happened to separation of church and state
lol, Denmark has an official state religion!
Denmark… do you believe in fairies?
No.
Then quit acting like it.
OK I sort of get it, not that I agree with it, but 2 years in jail? That’s absurd.
I’m from a conservative area and have heard countless stories of people who were traumatized in the name of Christianity. If one of those people feels like desecrating the Bible then it’s just a form of personal expression. If that upsets you well then start a conversation with them and learn from each other. Putting someone in jail is not the solution.
I’m just saying Christianity has a broad spectrum and has changed a lot over time. Even from a Christian point of view you must value criticism in order to find the way forward. That counts for all religions. And if you don’t think so, you’re just arrogant.
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Hate speech isn’t free speech!
Hate speech has no objective definition.
Language is a social phenomenon, yes.
Thankfully your style of rebuttal would be just as tiresome in 1890 as it is in the modern day.
Except I’m 1890 I would have had the weight of academia and public policy behind me.
Why not just make a law against inciting acts of aggression? Filming yourself burning religious texts is purposely trying to piss people off. That way it would cover anything that has the same goal without being just about religion. Freedom of expression, unless it’s just trying to make others angry.
Lets the law handle each case individually.
I argue that law should be used against those who react to these burnings in an aggressive manner. Violence is already covered.
If they stop taking unnecessary offense, I assume the burnings will stop too.
Not necessarily, if I were to burn a Bible and no one cares but they still continue revoking abortion access (and further bigotry) then I will probably keep burning bibles ib protest of the christofascists.
Yeah, but it’s making other people aggressive outside of the country. So its not very helpful, you can’t police people in other countries. This whole thing is like pedestrians walking in a crosswalk without looking for cars. Yes, the pedestrian has the right way, and the car should stop. But being right doesn’t really matter if you’re dead.
How about we strive for a society where people can burn their own property without having to worry about violence?
The islamists that react violently are only proving the point of the people burning the books. Tbh if you try to hurt someone for just burning SOMETHING THEY OWN, maybe you don’t deserve to live in a first world country.
And if you purposely antagonize people who are known for killing people who disagree with them, you don’t either. It’s like yelling fire in a crowded room, for any reason other than there being a fire.
Yeah it’s ridiculous, but they aren’t just burning their own property. They are filming it with the purpose of causing problems. And it did. They can’t do whatever they want if it endangers others. In an ideal world no one would react with physical violence to words. But we don’t live in that world.
I’m not a fan of that law existing, but I can see why they would want it.
The burners are not causing problems. They’re exposing a sickness that these individual people have in their minds. A healthy person doesn’t try to hurt someone just because they’re offended.
These sick people who would hurt someone for burning a book are the same sort that would throw acid on a woman for some bullshit medieval family honor, for example.
Better to incite them and get them arrested and perhaps even deported before they’re allowed to hurt anyone. It shows you won’t tolerate it in your society.
Hell, it may even encourage more moderate Muslims to move to that country if they know that the society doesn’t tolerate the actions of the small, insane minority. The Muslims that believe in liberal ideals like freedom of expression are exactly the type of immigrants that make a society stronger and we should encourage them.
All this law will do is allow that unhinged mental illness to rest, in secret, before coming out in some other toxic way.
I’m not saying that the book burners are being entirely altruistic here. I wouldn’t be surprised if they honestly hated all Muslims. But it is their right to express it without hurting anyone. This feels more like a “broken clock is right twice a day” sort of situation.
They’re exposing a sickness that these individual people have in their minds. A healthy person doesn’t try to hurt someone just because they’re offended.
Exposing and healing are not the same thing. They are fanning the flames, reducing neither the behaviour nor its causes. They’re handing out high-balls to junkies.
I get that. But I think the danger is from outside the country, so they aren’t going to be arrested.
Hate Speech laws get an L from me. Hate crime laws where a crime motivated by prejudice awards extra jail time is just a better solution. Think about what this is really saying - if you burn the Quran, muslims will riot… in Iraq. And the Iraqi government will condemn you. Really?
When you really think about it burning a book is, in fact, censorship
