I would love to make the switch, but I am certain that absolutely zero of my government mandated apps will run on this thing.
As a GrapheneOS user, I approve this message.
Android Auto is borked and most camera features
Android Auto works fine for me and google camera also works fine.
The camera works but I was talking about it but the Google image processing features.
Most important thing for some people: the battery of the pixel sucks balls
Unfortunately, Tinder doesn’t work and that is helpful to get in touch with the ladies. That app is too hell bent on location data which GOS handles more privately.
NFC should work, it is just scheduled to be deactivated after 3 months if not used for security reasons.
I think GOS is very user friendly and has many positive privacy and security enhancements. I would like to see if they can surpass sandboxed Google Play and officially support other repositories and updaters like Accrescent. Also, a standard way of securing traffic beyond encrypted DNS would be good such as a tor client like Orbot.
Looking into the Veilid ecosystem might also be a source for further development ideas.
just use grindr instead like I do
It Feels Almost Like Android… But It Isn’t
So what is it?
I think what they attribute to that “android feel”, is google spying on them at every turn.
If you want to know if an app works, you can start here: https://plexus.techlore.tech/ Still a young project so contributions are welcomed!
If you don’t have a Pixel like me, you can check out: https://e.foundation/ Runs since 3 years on my Fairphone 3 and gets better with every update
Ironically, Plexus currently crashes and won’t open on GrapheneOS. Both 2.0.3 on F-Droid and 2.0.6 on IzzyOnDroid.
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NFC payments also don’t work. Non-starter for me
Is it because of your particular bank or is that a general problem?
google wallet in general will not work.
Why not? You van set up a separate profile and install gplay services so pretty much anything would work under these conditions I assume
“I assume” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
as someone who runs GrapheneOS and looked into the possibility of doing contactless payments: no. it simply does not work. all the contactless payment apps can somehow detect you’re not running the stock OS for the phone and choose to lock themselves down.
cashapp and venmo will also freeze your accounts almost immediately upon installation and login and, in my case with cashapp, insinuate you may be reported to law enforcement for fraud when you appeal with info about your phone lmao
Ah yes, a feature that I’d never be able to live without /s
The university that I’m at is trying to get new students to use a digital student id that uses google wallet for scanning I think. They aren’t giving any new students physical student id’s unless they need it for something that doesn’t work with the digital ones.
So yeah some people do need google wallet.
Google Wallet works though. It’s just NFC and credit card payments that don’t. If you can add tickets and passes with barcodes, student ID will work.
The student id’s use nfc here. Nothing to scan.
Can someone give an example of an app that doesn’t work? I always hear about apps that do work, but is it mostly banking or some other category that doesn’t work typically?
Like you said, banking apps. The logic behind that is they use google to security check their apps. A random non-bank example would be the slick deals app. Without play services it would just open then crash.
Many apps use play services for their notification system. So for instance, proton mail works fine but notifications do not.
NFC is not supported, so anything that uses that won’t work.
Not an app, but I was surprised that widgets don’t work unless you’re in the primary profile. Technically they work on any profile, but they randomly get deleted, and frequently. It’s a known bug that probably will never get fixed because the source of it comes from stock android.
I will mention that you can have a profile running play services, which gives you access to many apps that wouldnt normally work. And it’s sandboxed so it has less impact on your information (I don’t know all the specifics but it does limit in some way how much it can snoop into the rest of the OS). Then you can also set up granular controls on your apps to limit them from snooping.
Thanks! I don’t think this will work for me. Where I live, most of the payments are made directly through banking apps by scanning a qr-code.
Anything that uses NFC payments.
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Some banking apps allegedly don’t work but i have never encountered one. If your bank has a mobile accessible website, it’s basically a non-issue.
google wallet is not required to be tied to any bank accounts, and US does not even support NFC within banking apps.
Both true statements. The banking apps that don’t work aren’t because google wallet doesn’t work, but because they use the same trust policies that Wallet requires in order to run (which GrapheneOS cannot meet because its not a “trusted” OS, per Google)
For how long will the older pixel phones be supported? Is it worth it to buy a cheaper older model like pixel 6 and have graphene in it?
Cause I’m not giving more than 200-300 for a phone. I’ll stick to cheap android phones that lack nothing compared to expensive phones for my needs.
https://endoflife.date/pixel This is for googles support. GOS may support a specific device a little longer than google but does not promise to and recomends getting a newer device.
Pixel 8a looks real good right now.
Wait what do the android updates have to do with Graphene? Does the phone need to still be supported by Google and android for Graphene to be secure and work?
Graphene stops shipping any updates after the Google deadline
Yes. Many security updates come from upstream AOSP and then are put into GOS.
So when a device has stopped getting AOSP updates, it is unreasonable for GOS to continue support it. They can and I believe they have applied more critical security patches to just barely EOL devices, but this isn’t promised or expected.
5a is EoL so no headphone jack for you. This is a nonstarter for portable devices to me.
USB C to AUX adapters work for me.
Having a secure and up to date device should likely be more important
Flimsy awkward adapters + having to choose between charging or audio? But they had matching earbuds with irreplaceable batteries to sell…
Ugreen sells a dual adapter. I’m sure other make one too. Don’t choose, just have both.
https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Magnetic-Adapter-Charger-Charging/dp/B0CJXWJ596/
As for flimsy, unless you get apple’s piece of crap, they are resonably durable. Headphone cables were never know for duarbilty either.
Lastly, just leave the adapter plugged into your headphones or aux cable.
I’ll agree, they are awkward and I do miss my headphone port, but the
solutionwork around is not that deep.
Does android auto work? Last I herd it did not…
It does
Neat.
Well, now I know what my next phone is. Does it work on the latest Pixel or does it have to be a previous version?
It works on the latest pixels
Thanks!
It does work on the Pixel 9 Generation and even on the Pixel Fold 9 and Pixel Tab.
I have the 8 Pro, and my wife has the 7 Pro, so I can confirm it works on those. No idea on the latest generation, but it’s likely that it works too.
Here’s a summary of the article and the seven key points mentioned about switching to GrapheneOS:
Summary: The article discusses GrapheneOS, a secure, privacy-focused mobile operating system based on Android. It highlights the benefits of switching to GrapheneOS, its features, compatibility, and user experience. The article also addresses potential concerns and provides information on reverting to standard Android if desired.
The seven things you should know before switching to GrapheneOS:
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Compatibility: Currently only supported on Google Pixel devices (Pixel 3 or newer) due to their strong hardware-based security features.
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App compatibility: Most apps are compatible, but some may require alternatives. A sandboxed version of Google Play can be installed for popular apps.
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User interface: Similar to standard Android, but with enhanced privacy controls and a decluttered, ad-free experience.
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Regular updates: Frequent security updates are provided to protect against the latest threats.
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Community support: A dedicated community of users and developers is available to offer help and tips.
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Reversibility: It’s possible to switch back to standard Android if you don’t like GrapheneOS.
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Privacy and security features: Includes end-to-end encryption, revocable permissions, randomized MAC addresses, and strict app data access controls.
No mention if the mental instability if the founder and the toxicity of the Dev team?
this could be said about many popular open source projects
Pointing the blame away is not the right answer. Also it does not happen in Lineage OS, Calyx OS and many other similar projects.
Thank you for this.
No problems 😄
Ty for the summary ChatGPT
Haha no worries 😅 I always appriciate summarys myself so I thought I would pay it forward
It’s a bad joke ✌️
standard android?
oku/they mean the OEM operating system right?
Or any other rom, really. Stock, which is the Google version of Android, but the pixel line is well supported by lineage and other variants.
The summary kind of makes it sound like there’s a switch in settings and poof! you’re back at stock android. But I imagine you need to flash the new ROM and start from scratch.
Right. It’s different in that it lacks Google Framework Service, and adds a bunch of privacy controls, like additional quick toggles to control the cameras, and microphone, the way other Android can quick toggle the flashlight and location servcies and bluetooth.
The biggest thing is substantially more granular per app permissions, controlled from a calentral interface in settings.
Yes. You can go back to stock.
My point is that “stock” is not a “standard”. If anything GrapheneOS is more standard.
True. It’s close to AOSP. Don’t understand the downvotes.
Its pedantic and distracts from the real conversation happening. I’ve always considered “stock” to mean how the device ships from the factory (that’s how the term is used in the automobile world), whereas I would think it fair to consider AOSP a standard, it’s something you can compare other ROMs against.
Regardless of mine or anyone else’s opinion, we’re just ultimately wanting to talk about how GrapheneOS is much closer to the clean and uncluttered experience AOSP offers
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