Remember when the libs here were saying only Russia does this and acting like it was beyond the pale?
I do because it was yesterday.
@yogthos @TheOubliette that’s a symptom of supporting “the next thing” that the propaganda machine tells you 🤣
soon the libs will be explaining to us how the war with Iran is the war we all needed
Workers, hearken, they are going to war
And they yell: “For nation and race!”
This war is the rulers of the world’s
Against the working classes!
Hanns Eisler in “Der Heimliche Aufmarsch”
(works for both sides ngl)
@poVoq@slrpnk.net how many more Ukrainians are going to have to be murdered by the regime for you to be happy?
You’re finally admitting that the Russian invasion is murder?
I’m talking about the murder of people who are being gang pressed into fighting by the fascist regime the west installed and people like you support.
Isn’t umm fighting against invasion is required by law for most countries?
Weird way to justify people being forced to fight into something they clearly don’t believe in or have any interest defending.
Sadly law isn’t arbitrary
law has nothing to do with morality
That’s wildly incorrect lol
Let’s not forget that most countries also have constitutions. The citizens constitutional rights cannot be overshadowed by draft. Therefore forcible totalitarian draft is not legal. Here it’s problematic because sovereign legal institutions are non existent in Ukraine and lets admit that in many states legal institutions would crumble when defending citizens rights against violent governments.
They were trying to prevent the slaughter of ethnic Russians in the independent republics. Also stop the continual acts of terrorism coming from the CIA controlled SBU (there’s a NYT article about this subject FYI)
That’s one take. Recently a bigger focus has been on how these men are avoiding their duties as citizens to protect their country, lives and freedom. But draft dodging is fine from a pacifist point of view.
Better that than being lured into a war as the Russians do.
@yogthos For any western liberal that is cheering on this bloodshed on behalf of Western capitalist powers, I invite you to jump on a plane and pick up a rifle.
This conflict has only two outcomes. A peace deal through negotiations as with any war in history, or WWIII.
Sadly, the American stance “we will fight Russia down to the last Ukrainian” is the reality. Once the smoke clears, if there was a victory, it will be the property of Western interests like Black Rock.
I think Israel is the only entity that is doing basically everything possible to kick-start WWIII. As the Ukraine/Russia stuff is mostly being contained to Ukraine, Donetsk, Luhansk, Crimea, and parts of Russia. But Israel is openly starting new fronts in Palestine and Lebanon. Along with attacking Iran, Syria, and Yemen. And they are most certainly the most likely entity to be the next government to use nukes in war. The doctrine of kill everyone to not allow capture is far more scary than what has been going on in Ukraine.
Not to say that the forced conscription and arrests of draft aged (or even physically able) men isn’t fucked (it very much is). But even the neo-Nazis in command of Ukrainian forces aren’t taking that level of official doctrine of death to their own side. Their doctrine is more “you fight or die” (but not "we will also kill you if you are caught by the enemy) which isn’t exactly “shocking” if a nation is on an actual defense from inside their borders. Israel is invading other nations and acting at more of an ISIS level of fucked up while yelling about how they are “just defending ourselves.”
Ukraine isn’t defending shit. They murdered tens of thousands in the independent republics and continue to this day shell that land that MSM says they are “defending”.
Seriously, wish all these people would just sign up for the foreign legion and put their money where their mouth is.
There’s still a nightlife in Kyiv? The war there is worlds apart from what’s happening in Gaza. Gaza hasn’t had electricity or water for a year now.
That’s not a war though, it’s a genocide
Every now and then people like to conflate the Gaza situation with the Ukrainian one. Both are very unfortunate and sad, but one is waaaay worse.
It was not unlike until 2022 (though still much worse for Palestine), but unlike Palestine, Donbas did got help.
I can 1000% guarantee you that if Iran or Iraq or Egypt invaded Israel in defense of Palestine all the antiwar libs who currently mildly criticize genocide would be frothing their mouths terminal rabies islamophobic and zionist now.
Russia isn’t targeting civilians. Also in Ukraine they draft poor people to die
The genocide of palestinians is no war
Just today Zaluzhnyi (ex AFU Commander-in-Chief) said that if needed, they will start mobilizing (so kidnapping from the streets, etc.) women too.
And then it finally going to be a proper, total genocide of Ukrainians…
I am sure there are no red lines for Zelensky’s regime now… He can start murdering kids, and it will be met with western applause…
Y’all are fucking clowns for defending the Russian invasion of Ukraine and saying that Ukrainians should just give up.
How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die? Where is the criticism of Putin and his regime and the atrocities that he commits? Oh, that’s right, it doesn’t fit the narrative that mother Russia is superior to everyone else and deserve to take Ukrainian land.
It’s pretty obvious that you’re just fascist. It’s going full circle in here.
Fucking clowns 🤣 Clowns living in a clown world is what you are 🤡🤡🤡
I am against both sides, both states are braindead agents of Moloch. Dissolve the state meme. The is now Russia there is no Ukraine, these are just deadly brain rot.
and saying that Ukrainians should just give up.
I’ll try to argue in good faith and ask you - what evidence (other than this post, apparently it doesn’t convince you) would be needed for you to admit that we don’t want to fight, and it’s Zelensky’s regime (with West’s support) that forces us to (and effectively genocides us)?
How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die?
It’s also bad. Russia is not turned into a mass prison which people can’t leave and where they are kidnapped on the streets though, Ukraine is.
A man in Russia can leave at any moment.
A man in Ukraine is automatically a prisoner, he can only escape.Where is the criticism of Putin and his regime and the atrocities that he commits?
Here it is: I condemn Putin for the atrocities he commits. I regularly hear from my friends and family, who are still in Ukraine, about Russian rockets/drones flying over them.
You see, I’ve tried to argue in good faith with you, despite you supporting Zelensky’s fascist regime that tries to kill me and people I know. Now, can you do the same? :)
It’s horrible that Ukrainians and Russians are getting forced in to a war that neither wanted to participate in. I hate wars and I would have preferred to see everyone live in peace. But reality is not like that.
Putin is trying to take your homeland and you’re doing nothing to prevent it. You’re not even in your own country… I find it pretty rich that condemn Putin and his actions while also being okey with it happening as long as no one has to fight for Ukraine.
Who should fight for their freedom if not the people that live there? I would defend my homeland til I die if it meant my country would remain a democracy and be free dictators and fascists.
You didn’t answer my question “what evidence (…) would be needed for you to admit that we don’t want to fight, and it’s Zelensky’s regime (…) that forces us to (…)” :(
Putin is trying to take your homeland and you’re doing nothing to prevent it.
What do you mean “take”?
What prevents me from living on the land Putin has taken?
Or let’s be more exact - what prevents people in Crimea, Melitopol and other cities/regions taken by Putin to continue living there?
Or maybe you want to say that the life there is worse? Then please define in what way. Is it being able to freely move? Is it not being a subject to mass kidnappings? Is it being able to speak your mother tongue without being discriminated for it (or worse…)? Is it being able to form political parties? Is it being able to vote for your president (even if you consider the elections rigged)?You’re not even in your own country…
I cannot return there, until Zelensky’s regime is done. If I go there - I won’t be able to come back.
Who should fight for their freedom if not the people that live there?
Fighting for freedom is fighting against Zelensky’s regime, he is the one taking the freedom away. And it’s extremely hard to fight him, as long as he has western support.
Y’all fucking clowns for defending the fascist regime you support dragging people to fight for your entertainment. Go sign up for the foreign legion already instead of trolling here.
Lmao, I am not the one defending a fascist dictator and his regime trying to take over a foreign country, sending their men to a certain death 🤣 get your head out of your ass you clown 🤡🤡🤡
The fact that you don’t know that you are makes you even more of a clown.
Some people dug too deep into the reality tunnel, any common sense has been left far behind.
Obvious reality check: yes Ukraine has some nazies, but
a) they’re not their top problem. That being, you know, invaded and occupied by an authoritarian dictatorship.
b) point me at the country that hasn’t. What, you want China to invade Germany because AfD has 30% in some provinces? Let people sort their shit before you call for a foreign boot ffs.
(Not even touching the fact that the only reason Russia isnt seig hail’ing right this second, is that little Pu is afraid of any popular movements including fascism. But it’ll get there, give it a couple years)
Dude. We (the US) couped Ukraine in 2014. They’ve been killing tens of thousands of their own Russian-speaking civilians in the two independent republics. We have created THEIR CIA (SBU) and they perform acts of terrorism on Russia, at least try to, on at LEAST a monthly basis. Denazification means elimination of Banderaist factions in the gov who can essentially tell their president what to do backed by threats of violence.
The fascist regeme you’re imagining simply doesnt exist. There wasnt some “Donetsk ethnic cleansing”, this were separatists (armed with Russian weapons and backed up with russian volunteers) trying to kick off federal troops and secede. Which, you know, isn’t great. You could possibly go “both sides are bad” the 2014-2021 conflict and have some good points.
In what universe does the 2022 russian invasion translate to anything else as obvious f-ing conquest and how much of a bootlicker do you have to be to support it??
nice hasbara
mother Russia is superior to everyone else and deserve to take Ukrainian land.
Are you seriously getting your viewpoints about what Russia wants…FROM THE CIA? that’s fucking insane. Here’s what you should do. Find any translation of any spokesperson of Russia. Two famous ones are Lavrov and Maria something. Both of them are very intelligent and speak clearly.
Hey man, don’t engage with old mate. He’s a full blown tankie and posts pro Russian propaganda every day
Ah yes, those US/UK/European/Ukrainian news media with their Russian propaganda… Damn Russian propaganda, nothing is safe from it :(
Huh that’s gotta be the highest upvoted article critical of Ukraine regime i seen here.
Either libs are already in the inevitable process of transforming from “kill ruZZian orcs” to “we never supported that war” or we are just out of peak hours for lib brigades.
It really isn’t that far of a reach to support ukraines fight for sovereignty but also detest forced conscription.
It’s not one or the other.
No! Two things are never allowed to be true at the same time!
Ukraine lost its sovereignity in 2014. Nuland was even handpicking their govt, you don’t get less sovereign.
It really isn’t that far of a reach to support ukraines fight for sovereignty but also detest forced conscription.
You can always go volunteer
ITT people that claim they hate trump have the same opinion on one of the biggest political issues for the same reason, they love Russian expansion.
