Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Taking over for Gerard this time. Special thanks to him for starting this.)

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    New elon allegedly spawned 5 months ago via MAGA columnist/influencer Ashley St. Clair

    CW: Original source is the new york post, which I thought was an appropriate rag for this kind of news. Feel free to link a non NYP source.

    https://archive.md/SY8LX

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      E: no prob different person

      E2: climbing on my hill See another recent kid from Musk, vs the relative lack of them before ~2018 (my rough estimate when his radicalization by weird twitter people began (I believe he isnt smart enough/has the attention span to be radicalized by moldbug sliding into his dms (also jock vs creep)) began), sure he had an above average amount of kids with his first wife but nothing like the wild secret seeding he does now. I really think he was a late concert to Nazism and not one always (he always was a racist piece of shit). See also how this man who has trouble shutting the fuck up was silent about gomergate1 and approved on hrt for his exdaughter (and due to trans people showing how gender isnt innate, quite performative, and poreus, nazis hate trans people). This is my hill! (Yeah, this doens’t really matter, neo-nazis delenda est no matter when they became one).

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        Also, was the old messaging exchange that’s been getting some attention sources to “MILO” as in Milo “maybe if I’m hateful enough they’ll ignore that I’m gay” Yanniwhatever?

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          Yes Nero is that Milo. The reactionary who tried the whole ‘I’m going to troll the liberals by being gay and objectifying black men lol, ow god why are yall trying to eat my face’ guy. Last I heard he is ex gay now. Massive pos, but also turns out that a lot of things he wrote in the before times were actually ghostwritten by others, others who he then didn’t pay (because pos (Sidenote, but it amazes me how many of them simply don’t pay employees/contractors (I assume their dealers do get paid))).

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            You know, I feel like he’s still breaking down barriers because I’ve never heard of a straight man being that much of a messy bitch.

            But internalized homophobia aside the fact that they’re so frequent in failing to pay their hired help really puts the lie to the libertarian side of their ideology. Even if you and I in particular have too much pride and sense to work with them they never seem to have issues finding someone to take the risk, meaning that *someone is getting exploited into make the lifestyles of the rich and famous possible.

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      MAGA columnist/influencer Ashley St. Clair

      ah. earlier someone linked me screenshots of the tweets and I was trying to remember where I knew the name from.

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    so the nix devenv CLI tool that was gaining popularity around the time I left nix is now doing extremely invasive telemetry and quietly implemented a feature that exfiltrates your entire repo and all related files to their servers to feed into an LLM. if you’d like a reminder of the extreme bad faith the corporate assholes who own nixpkgs operate under, someone tried to add DO_NOT_TRACK to Nix’s wrapped version of devenv, and the devenv lead maintainer used their elevated privileges on the nixpkgs repo to revert that change instantly without following any existing processes or asking for the community’s consensus.

    I ranted some time ago about how all these shit commercial tools are just ways to capture and monetize large parts of the nix ecosystem, and the bill has finally come due. lixpkgs can’t happen soon enough (and the nix infra people seem to agree — they’ve been using lix for a while now, cause the regular evaluator is too unstable for large-scale use)

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      fuck, I saw their “we added a LLM weeee” post, didn’t realize it was this shittily implemented. not too surprised

      the rest, ugh. fuck that implementation then

      even just using this anywhere with a NDA becomes an instant violation. how little do these fucking dipshits think through their actions…

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      someone tried to add DO_NOT_TRACK

      Tangentially related, but I only just now learned about this env var, and the console do not track proposal. While it is a practical solution to the problem of many different env vars… I’m also so annoyed that it’s necessary at all. That it’s required to set some env var to opt-out, instead of being strictly opt-in which such things should always be. Maybe I would like the proposal more if they had called the env var DONT_BE_SPYWARE.

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    In other news, all hell’s broken loose at BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/culturecrave.co/post/3lhv35la2pk2h

    "#Bluesky confirms they're partnering with an AI company to help with moderation"

    The “AI company” in question is a nonprofit that focuses on open-source safety tools which recently launched at the Paris AI Action Summit, but that was enough to cause things to go nuclear, especially given people initially flocked to BSky to get away from AI.

    Thinking I should make this into a full post.

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    Saltman has a new blogpost out that I feel too tired to sneer properly but I’m sure will be featured in pivot-to-ai pretty soon.

    Of note that he seems to admit chatbot abilities have plateaued for the current technological paradigm, by way of offering the “observation” that model intelligence is logarithmically dependent on the resources used to train and run it (i = log( r )) so it’s officially diminishing returns from now on.

    Second observation is that when a thing gets cheaper it’s used more, i.e. they’ll be pushing even harded to shove it into everything.

    Third observation is that

    The socioeconomic value of linearly increasing intelligence is super-exponential in nature. A consequence of this is that we see no reason for exponentially increasing investment to stop in the near future.

    which is hilarious.

    The rest of the blogpost appears to mostly be fanfiction about the efficiency of their agents that I didn’t read too closely.

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      Second observation is that when a thing gets cheaper it’s used more, i.e. they’ll be pushing even harded to shove it into everything.

      Are they trying to imply that when they will make it cheaper by shoving it everywhere? I honestly can’t see how that logic is holding together

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        as I read it, it’s an attempt at reference to economy of scale under the thesis “AI silicon will keep getting cheaper because more and more people will produce it” as the main underpinning for how to reduce their unit economics. which, y’know, great! that’s exactly what people like to hear about manufacturing and such! lovely! it’s only expensive because it’s the start! oh, the woe of the inventor, the hard and expensive path of the start!

        except that doesn’t hold up in any reasonable manner.

        they’re not using J Random GPU, they’re using top-end purpose-focused shit that’s come into existing literally as co-evolution feedback from the fucking industry that is using it. even some hypothetical path where we do just suddenly have a glut of cheap model-training silicon everywhere, imo it’s far far far more likely to be an esp32 situation than a “yeah this gtx17900 cost me like 20 bucks” situation. even the “consumer high end” of “sure your phone has a gpu in it” is still very suboptimal for doing the kind of shit they’re doing (even if you could probably make a great cursed project out of a cluster of phones doing model training or whatever)

        falls into the same vein of shit as “a few thousand days” imo - something that’s a great soundbite, easily digestible market speak, but if you actually look at the substance it’s comprehensive nonsense

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          Yeah, I agree. I think that this argument that is made there is a false. The logic error imo is claiming this statement is true: things get cheaper as they get used more, therefore if we make it used more, it will get cheaper.

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          Could also be don’t worry about deepseek type messaging that addresses concerns without naming names, to tell us that a drastic reduction in infrastructure costs was foretold by the writing of St Moore and was thus always inevitable on the way to immanentizing the AGI, ἀλληλούϊα.

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        The surface claim seems to be the opposite, he says that because of Moore’s law AI rates will soon be at least 10x cheaper and because of Mercury in retrograde this will cause usage to increase muchly. I read that as meaning we should expect to see chatbots pushed in even more places they shouldn’t be even though their capabilities have already stagnated as per observation one.

        1. The cost to use a given level of AI falls about 10x every 12 months, and lower prices lead to much more use. You can see this in the token cost from GPT-4 in early 2023 to GPT-4o in mid-2024, where the price per token dropped about 150x in that time period. Moore’s law changed the world at 2x every 18 months; this is unbelievably stronger.
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      It probably deserves its own post on techtakes, but let’s do a little here.

      People are tool-builders with an inherent drive to understand and create

      Diogenes’s corpse turns

      which leads to the world getting better for all of us.

      Of course Saltman means “all of my buddies” as he doesn’t consider 99% of the human population as human.

      Each new generation builds upon the discoveries of the generations before to create even more capable tools—electricity, the transistor, the computer, the internet, and soon AGI.

      Ugh. Amongst many things wrong here, people didn’t jerk each other off to scifi/spec fic fantasies about the other inventions.

      In some sense, AGI is just another tool in this ever-taller scaffolding of human progress we are building together. In another sense, it is the beginning of something for which it’s hard not to say “this time it’s different”; the economic growth in front of us looks astonishing, and we can now imagine a world where we cure all diseases, have much more time to enjoy with our families, and can fully realize our creative potential.

      AGI IS NOT EVEN FUCKING REAL YOU SHIT. YOU CAN’T CURE FUCK WITH DREAMS

      We continue to see rapid progress with AI development.

      I must be blind.

      1. The intelligence of an AI model roughly equals the log of the resources used to train and run it. These resources are chiefly training compute, data, and inference compute. It appears that you can spend arbitrary amounts of money and get continuous and predictable gains; the scaling laws that predict this are accurate over many orders of magnitude.

      “Intelligence” in no way has been quantified here, so this is a meaningless observation. “Data” is finite, which negates the idea of “continuous” gains. “Predictable” is a meaningless qualifier. This makes no fucking sense!

      1. The cost to use a given level of AI falls about 10x every 12 months, and lower prices lead to much more use. You can see this in the token cost from GPT-4 in early 2023 to GPT-4o in mid-2024, where the price per token dropped about 150x in that time period. Moore’s law changed the world at 2x every 18 months; this is unbelievably stronger.

      “Moore’s law” didn’t change shit! It was a fucking observation! Anyone who misuses “moore’s laws” outta be mangione’d. Also, if this is true, just show a graph or something? Don’t just literally cherrypick one window?

      1. The socioeconomic value of linearly increasing intelligence is super-exponential in nature. A consequence of this is that we see no reason for exponentially increasing investment to stop in the near future.

      “Linearly increasing intelligence” is meaningless as intelligence has not been… wait, I’m repeating myself. Also, “super-exponential” only to the “socio” that Ol’ Salty cares about, which I have mentioned earlier.

      If these three observations continue to hold true, the impacts on society will be significant.

      Oh hm but none of them are true. What now???

      Stopping here for now, I can only take so much garbage in at once.

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          You’d think that, at this point, LW style AGI wish fulfilment fanfic would have been milked dry for building hype, but apparently Salty doesn’t!

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            The cult will be the very last constituency to drop away, and likely form the majority of his hiring pool at this point, especially to replace the high-level attrition they suffered last year.

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              You know, i wondered how come that in modern, tech literate, western allied country presidency was captured by a cult. (South Korea) i don’t wonder about that anymore

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      My ability to guess the solution of Boolean SAT problems also scales roughly with the log of number of tries you give me.

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      1. My big robot is really expensive to build.

      2. If big robot parts become cheaper, I will declare that the big robot must be bigger, lest somebody poorer than me also build a big robot.

      3. My robot must be made or else I won’t be able to show off the biggest, most expensive big robot.

      QED, I deserve more money to build the big robot.

      P.S. And for the naysayers, just remember that that robot will be so big that your critiques won’t apply to it, as it is too big.

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    Well as they promised Google Maps has finally fallen. It now shows “Gulf of America” and nothing else to US users. I suspect someone outside the US will be shown both the real name and Gulf of America. Denali is still labeled as Denali… for now.

    Disorganize the world’s information and make it universally inaccessible and stupid.

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      Nice try, but you’re going to have to work a lot harder if you want to trick me into clicking on that. I lived through browsing peak Slashdot at -1, you know

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      Also, shit writing prompt. I haven’t seen a writing prompt online that I didn’t hate. “Hey wouldn’t it be neat if someone wrote about this premise???”

      Writing prompt: Day one at the dildo factory

      shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up

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        Writing prompt: Day one at the dildo factory

        “Yarrgh. Another crew of bushy tails, more wet behind the ears than 'tween the legs. You’ve no idea what’s in store for you, but these eyes, these old eyes have seen things. Like the great injector malfunction of aught-six…”

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        Writing Prompts:

        • Pokemon and Digimon are both real and they are at war.
        • Fractals are alive and they hate us
        • A woman explores beyond the event horizon of a black hole and it’s just very hot and cramped and boring and not at all pleasant
        • A company starts a time mine where they mine causality but they didn’t think about sustainability

        OK OK you have a point, I hate all of these and I wrote them.

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          • Diligent application of Bayesian reasoning finally gains you the ability to fly, propelled by your own farts

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          when I think about it more, what I don’t like is how insistent WPs are. Like what’s being communicated to me is “hey this is a good story idea, now you write it so you can prove my point!!!” You aren’t my editor, pal!

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            Yeah, it’s a lot easier to think of a potentially interesting premise than it is to sit down and actually write it out. Also if I’m gonna write something it’ll be something I think is interesting rather than a prompt.

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        guy chooses never to take in feedback or think about how to git gud at writing so every time he spurts out more sludge it’s just more infinite degrees of fractal bad.

        Why the fuck is it in bad script form? MAN: WOMAN: MAN: WOMAN: just fucking name them! There’s like ten names in the text, just fucking do it, you shit!

        FWIW the only way to read yudkowskian dialogue is to imagine yud as each character wearing a different wig for that character. No distinctions in voice though, none are apparent in the text.

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          ah good point. He reads “mature and excellent at communication” as a self-description. After that, there’s absolutely no way he can resist writing himself into both characters.

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            The man is a hollow shell, and the woman is tripping over her own tongue in the least regal fashion imaginable. There’s no emotional maturity because there’s no interiority. There’s no communication, just Yud doing Ready Player One with Nerd Culture™ references. Remember the Evil Overlord list? You do, don’t you? Wasn’t the Evil Overlord list funny? Now imagine if an Evil Overlord had, wait for it, read the Evil Overlord list. Wouldn’t that be amazing?

            (Yes, he did the same damn thing in HPMOR, too.)

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            all of his works are socrappy dialogues (crappy socratic dialogues). This one is an unsubtle exploration of his BDSM fetish

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      SHE is gowned in a black dress sewn with tiny emeralds, rubies, sapphires too small to detract from the darkness of her gown, instead giving it the illusion of a rainbow sheen.

      Following “gowned” so closely with “dress” is awkward, because the latter is redundant. Consider, e.g., “She is gowned in black, the fabric sewn with…” Using both “gowned” and “gown” in the same sentence compounds the problem. Consider introducing further information about the fabric: e.g., “the darkness of the velvet” or “the darkness of the silk”.

      Whoof. Made it through the first sentence.

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      Well now, this is intriguing. Let me check out their website and see if they have the source code for this open source offering available there. Oh dear, looks like they have forgotten to include a link to the source code (though they did make sure to prominently include the referrer of platformer.news in the URL so that’s good for them). Not to worry, surely they have a GitHub or something. Oh, still nothing. Maybe there’s a link in this Mozilla blog post about it? Still no, but they seem to accidentally imply this is some kind of an AI thing? Is this finally the open source AI we have all been so excitedly waiting for?

      To be a little more serious, there’s barely anything here to even be gullible about. Just a Vaporware idol for corpos to have a circlejerk around and congratulate themselves for pretending to do something about the bad vibes. If there’s a real ambition beyond corporate peacockery here, the motivation is merely to take care of the pesky content moderation without having to pay people to do it.

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        dammit it’s barely days since my open source veneer side comment and then this happens. I’m dubious of even giving a tiny bit of goodwill because with this set of orgs on task and the resources they can muster, surely piddly little things like setting up some infra for publishing and management is in the hours to maybe days spectrum…

        casey’s words:

        Roblox has already contributed an open-source model for detecting abuse, racism, and sexual content in audio clips

        that roblox post that casey links to:

        That will likely be open sourced by the end of the first quarter of 2025

        I have no mouth and I must scream

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      merely from seeing the domain and author, probably all of it - casey newton’s got a real bad case of access syndrome, and keeps writing fluff/puff pieces uncritically amplifying tons of bayfucker nonsense

      (it’s even beyond the usual levels of what one may refer to as useful idiot)

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      rahaeli on bluesky says this is fine, it’s the same ML that any T&S dept already has to apply to triage the firehose of shit, and doesn’t involve LLMs

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    looks like our sneer comrade DisneylandDiplomat (disney6830 on discord), who did the Thinkateria rationalist-parody blog, died in Oct 2022. From Reddit Sneerclub:

    Hello, I am writing since I saw this sub is a bit active again. I am wondering if anyone remembers the blog “thinkateria” or the reddit user DisneylandDiplomat who often posted links to promote it here. he was my little brother and he killed himself in October of 2022, after deleting the blog, and I only saw his reddit activity afterwards. I think it was satirical writing making fun of these other bloggers discussed here. He was very private and this sub is really the only insight into his state of mind at that time that I have. There’s no point to this post except I feel a need to share that he is gone and this is the only place I know he had any connections with. It must have been hard for everyone who talked about this so early on.

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    canada has come up several times in the last several days and based on my small sample size, americans have no idea that the US government has been unsubtly threatening CA with annexation. these are not politically unconcerned or right wing people either

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      “Unsubtlly” being him quite literally saying that he wants Canada to be the 51st state.
      Not sure how much more unsubtle you can get there.

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      A lot of the reporting is using kids gloves instead of calling out the thinly veiled threats (god our media sucks), but anyone who can connect dots and read the tariffs + greenland + canada 51st state + panama + gulf of mexico news should be able to see Trump’s hawkish expansionist dreams pretty easily.

      Is this a matter of not following the news, poor critical thinking, or just so much stuff hitting the fan that it’s hard to keep up?

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        On the kid gloves, my bank keeps sending me updates on the state of the world economy and general big picture investment advice (and explaining their own actions). And between a lot of talk on AI, I saw they posted “we are going to take our profits on the usa investments, despite the tarifs being off the table”. Which was, esp the first half, an interesting way to suggest to readers that they are pulling a lot of money out of the US and others might be wise to also do so. (Not that they would literally say the latter as ‘not financial advice’ etc). But yes worrying.

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          Yeah I already have a lot of non-US stocks, and next week I’m going to rebalance to make them the majority.

          I’m not a finance person. My uncle who’s in the world of international corporate law thinks things will be fine so maybe I’m being a bit cautious but the way I see it there are a few big issues:

          • The US government is trying it’s best to implode itself.
          • There is a brain-drain effect (or heck, a worker-drain effect in general), it will pick up as things get worse.
          • The US government is becoming much more isolationist and detached from the global economy.
          • There is a small but real chance that the US government will start one or more major wars over the next decade
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              Yeah just saw that. It’s messed up.

              I told my job a couple weeks ago that I’m planning to move out of the US. They need me more than I need them so they might actually help with that; but even if a transfer works out I intend to get out this year one way or another, even if it means a study visa instead of a job.

              Even if things magically turn around like some people think my mind is set. Irreversable damage has already been done in my mind. I said in another comment that I feel like a stranger in America now (this is, in a weird sense, kind of a freeing feeling).

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                this is, in a weird sense, kind of a freeing feeling

                speaking from experience, yep. once you make your mind up on a gtfo intent re a bad situation, so much other shit just falls away

                it’ll definitely have hard bits, but keep at it. worth it

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      for a moment there i thought i’d been uninformed about the US threatening to annex California

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    from a discord. musk did not actually marry grimes, but apart from that my aplogies for mr beaning the whole america

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    Idea for another megathread: go to linkedin and post the first thing you see (that provokes a reaction). Here’s mine:

    FWIW I checked a few comment threads and guy is playing this off as lighthearted/a joke, but folks here know better than that.

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      A bit of a superpower, just a bit. A tiny little morsel, a sample of superpower, if you will.

      If you gotta qualify it like that…

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      go to linkedin and post the first thing you see (that provokes a reaction).

      Why would you do this to me?

      spoiler

      Great leadership is born under pressure.

      Anyone can perform when things are easy. Real leadership shines in moments of pressure.

      Most people react. Great leaders respond.

      Here’s how you can too:

      ❌ “You need to calm down” ↳ Why: Instantly escalates tension ↳ Instead: “I’m noticing we’re both getting tense. Should we take a break?”

      ❌ “This is a complete disaster” ↳ Why: Spreads panic and paralyzes action ↳ Instead: “What’s the one thing we absolutely must get right?”

      ❌ “You should have known better” ↳ Why: Creates shame, not learning ↳ Instead: “What can we learn from this for next time?”

      ❌ “It’s not my fault” ↳ Why: Signals lack of ownership ↳ Instead: “I may have contributed to this. Help me understand where”

      ❌ “Just figure it out” ↳ Why: Shows poor leadership ↳ Instead: “Can we clarify what success looks like for both of us?”

      ❌ “Why isn’t this done yet?” ↳ Why: Creates defensiveness ↳ Instead: “What’s the most immediate barrier we need to address?”

      ❌ “That’s not my problem” ↳ Why: Destroys team cohesion ↳ Instead: “We’re on the same team. Let’s figure this out together”

      ❌ “I don’t have time for this” ↳ Why: Devalues others’ priorities ↳ Instead: “I want to give this proper attention. Can we schedule 30 minutes?”

      ❌ “I already told you that” ↳ Why: Makes people shut down ↳ Instead: “Let me explain this another way”

      ❌ “That’s how we’ve always done it” ↳ Why: Kills innovation ↳ Instead: “What if we tried a different approach?”

      The truth: Reputations are fragile. And rebuilding them is expensive.

      P.S. Which response do you want to use more often?

      ♻ Repost to help your network communicate better.

      ➕ Follow me for more like this.

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        ❌ “Why would you do this to me?” ↳ Why: Instantly creates tension. ↳ Instead: “What did I do wrong, and how can I do better next time?”

        Just incredible that good leadership equals gaslighting yourself into an abusive relationship

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      Of all the world wide websites on the web of this wide world LinkedIn might be the one I understand the least, for I dread to even try to understand it.

      I assume it’s like an online CV/résumé where you can list your job experience, which seems sensible enough. But it’s also like Facebook for some reason. Well maybe it’s good that someone who needs your skills can also come to you and you need some kind of messaging, call it social network type functionality for that. But also recruiters are spammy pests because obviously they are.

      Also apparently some people use it as an actual social media and just post their travel photos or random thoughts there, which is wild to me. It’s like someone writing a letter to the editor of a newspaper to tell them about the pancakes they made in the weekend. How is this your medium of choice for this? And then there are the influencers posting the kind of baffling crap seen in this thread, which are already a mysterious animal by themselves, but how on earth are they doing this on the same website that somewhat normal seeming people just use to host their professional biography?

      It’s like you founded a combination of an employment office and a cult temple, where the job seekers aren’t expected or required to join the cult, but the rites are still performed in the waiting room in public view. Sometimes one of my friends tells me about the funny and cringe cultist orgy they saw at the employment office. “Why were you at the orgy cultist employment office?” I ask them. “I didn’t know you were looking for a job.” And they tell me they weren’t looking for a job, they just go there sometimes. Or maybe HR announces a bowling night or blood drive or whatever and the email includes a link to let everyone (cultists, job seekers and neither of the above) at the cultist employment service office know. So my colleagues do, then they crack a joke about how annoying and weird all the cult stuff in that office is and we all have a chuckle. Just another day of having a white collar job, telling about their day to their mostly non-cultist white collar job having friends at the cult temple that is also an employment agency for cultists and non-cultists alike.

      Also it’s hilarious to me that Windows has a built-in global keyboard shortcut for opening LinkedIn in your default web browser and it’s fucking Ctrl-Alt-Shift-Super-L, proving that Windows is the true modern successor of Emacs.

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        It’s like you founded a combination of an employment office and a cult temple, where the job seekers aren’t expected or required to join the cult, but the rites are still performed in the waiting room in public view.

        chef’s kiss

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        I think, in some sense, it is the purest version of social media. You take anything and everything in your life, commodify and corrupt it into content that serves as some insight into achieving higher business status, garnering reactions, and, in turn, actual higher business status. No other social media is as direct in delivering the desired result.

        It’s like you founded a combination of an employment office and a cult temple, where the job seekers aren’t expected or required to join the cult, but the rites are still performed in the waiting room in public view.

        I think this is absolutely true. A more concrete metaphor might be a quidditch/quadball league. There are all kinds of people there for different reasons. Some are there purely for the love of the game, even if they look weird to outsiders. Others are there because they need exercise but have trouble finding joy in playing the sport itself. Some people LARP as the first camp for ulterior motives, like making friends or getting laid. I occasionally walk by the field where they play for the spectacle.