Classic twisting of the thumb screws. The prisoners dilemma is functional of how trustworthy your co-conspirator is.
And its safe to say when it comes to people who seriously would consider trying to overthrow an election for personal gain, you cant trust any of em, so of course everyone is gonna crack. 10/10 this will be fun to watch
Except they’ve been achieving the optimal prisoner’s dilemma outcome until now by protecting each other. Idk, I won’t believe he’ll flip until he does. For all I know, this is just a way to plead for Trump’s help for funding legal fees out in the open.
I don’t think there are any funds.
Wouldn’t that be marvelous if it turned out the RNC funding was one gigantic ponzi scheme and all the money was going to pay-off Trumps debts?
It’s easy to stay in line while it’s working. The moment you are actually in court looking at years in prison, that’s when the dilemma really becomes tough to stick to.
Also, in this scenario, there is no guarantee that everyone staying in line will mean they get away. Which makes the calculus much much more complicated as opposed to when it’s just trying to avoid an indictment all together
It’s not really a Prisoner’s Dilemma when one prisoner doesn’t have the opportunity to flip, though - it’s not like if Trump agrees to testify against Meadows they’re going to reduce his sentence.
Eh. If fuckface actually had receipts and could stop incriminating himself on social media and television for even five minutes, he probably could. Putting a former POTUS in jail is a logistical and optical nightmare and Democrats would love a “symbolic” victory that results in trump on house arrest for the rest of his life.
Like, there is a reason Ford pardoned Nixon immediately.
But trump is, and has continuously been, too stupid to even do that. If he had ended it with “there are good people on both sides and we love you but please stop trying to murder pence” then none of this would be happening. Basically every prosecution wouldn’t want the smoke that comes with this and would have been content with effective exile.
So bribery or extortion? That fits.
Meadows made clear in his own testimony at last week’s hearing that Trump viewed the false electors as a significant part of his strategy to remain in power. He said he sent an email pushing the campaign to assemble those slates because he feared a tongue-lashing from Trump.
“What I didn’t want to happen was for the campaign to prevail in court action and not have this” lined up, he said.
“Why?” prosecutor Anna Cross asked him.
“Because I knew I’d be yelled at by the president of the United States,” he said.
Yeah…great reason to try to upend democracy, Mark.
At first I was mad at Mark Meadows for trying to destroy American democracy and rob me of my freedom, but, gosh if he faced the possibility of being yelled at, I guess he didn’t have any choice. So brave.
I’m so confused why anyone would be intimidated by traitor orange. The fuckin guy is a short fat turd who wears makeup and not in the cool way people wear makeup.
More accurate to say most are intimidated by drumpf’s base. Not getting votes after he is no longer an option, getting death threats, etc. No one is actually intimidated by him personally.
Except for Mark Meadows, Chief Pussy.
I was thinking he has less guts and integrity than the average four year old sneaking cookies before dinner.
The Nuremberg Defense probably works better if the person whose orders you claim to have been following is still alive and ranting on Twitter about how they damn well were his orders and he takes credit for the whole thing.
feverently munching on popcorn
You probably meant fervently or feverishly (which may be even funnier)
Yup. It’s been a day already. Either works. 😔🤣
Lmao.
Remember to bend the knees Mark, and look back as you follow through the flip.
They have nothing to lose by turning on Trump at this point.
The rabid MAGA idiots will threaten them. But to that I say, oh no, too bad, let me make some popcorn
Getting killed by medicated trump cultists?
Yeah those diabetes scooters they ride around in can be deadly
Politico reported on Mark Meadows’ potential legal strategy as the White House chief of staff faces charges connected with Trump’s alleged conspiracy to overturn Georgia’s 2020 election results. The report referred to court documents showing a strong likelihood that Meadows will join Trump’s other former allies who will blame the ex-president and portray him as the “primary driver” of the racketeering enterprise they’ve been accused of.
Do it Mark, don’t go to jail for the orange buffoon.
He should still spend some time in jail, just not as long as the orange buffoon.
So, are you allowed to call in to Hannity’s show from federal prison? What about state prison? Asking for someone who is definitely not a friend.
Joe Biggs (Proud Boys leader who was sentenced to 17 years last week) called in to Infowars TWICE from prison on the same episode.
Love watching sharks turn on one another.
Rev up the circular firing squad and I’ll grab some popcorn…
Yeah that’s kind of what I expected. The prosecution wants to pin down Trump, so they let a few conspirators flip to make that happen. The rest will get buried alongside Trump.
It’s gonna be really interesting how trump will address/ spin this publicly. If it’s only one guy who flipped, he could probably just feed him to the wolves in the media, but this is gonna be a bunch of ppl turning on him. Idk if he can convince his followers to instantly switch to hating on them. There’s gonna be a bunch of ppl on the fence about trump who will take any evidence to hop off the bandwagon.
Either way, having a public criminal trial while running a campaign is about as much of a PR disaster as it’s gonna get. Remember: the goal of the prosecution is to pin him down with every piece of damning evidence they can get, it’s gonna get dirty.
And then there are my parents who will support him regardless.
My parents appear to be trying to move on, but without saying that Trump did anything wrong. For them, it’s basically just “let’s ignore all those crimes… Hey, did you hear about these great candidates Rick Scott or RFK, Jr?” (And, yes, my father did try to tell me how great those two are.)
Rick Scott is a hugeee piece of shit
I don’t know how to respond. It’s not a great situation, but at least they’ve stopped vocally and/or actively supporting him. I’m sorry, congratulations? Seems weird to say but it’s honest.
I’m so sorry for your loss. My dad won’t say his name anymore but will never admit anything he could possibly be culpable for. Sure miss him sometimes.
I still talk to my father, but I try my hardest not to discuss politics. Still, every so often my father will bring something up (like Rick Scott/RFK Jr). It either results in an argument between us or me just getting off the phone quickly due to my wife and boys “coincidentally” calling for my help with something.
He can turn his fans quite easily, I think.
The bad scary deep-state government, run by Joe Brandon, threatened them with so much jail time that they had no choice but to turn on me. It makes sense. I don’t blame them. What else can you do?
I really wanted mark meadows to burn though. Can someone else dig up some shit on him and send him to jaillater?
I don’t see why all of them are not telling on Trump. Trump certainly doesn’t care about them and I believe if Trump could blame it all on them, he would.
I think some of them are deluded enough to think that it really is like an impeachment and any jury is going to be hopelessly deadlocked between its Democratic and Republican members. Or that the deep state will work its magic, retire all the prosecutors, and there will never even be trials.
I mean, these are generally not smart people with firm grip on reality we’re talking about.
Well, the Georgia legislature already has members trying to get rid of Fani Willis, and if they can stall them out that long, the federal cases will disappear under the next Republican president.
When you’re coming off of a lifetime of anything being able to be smoothed over given enough money and power, it’s hard to imagine an alternative.
Dooooooo it!
And now we wait. Hopefully this guy follows through and flip like a gymnast on steroids.
