Edit: Surprised at all the vegans in this thread. I didn’t think there were so many of you. I’m glad you care so much about animal rights, that you’re willing to forego eating them and using products made from them. If you’re not vegan and have moral objections for this, maybe you should look at yourself first and all the animal abuse you sanction by eating animals and using animal products. Did you know dairy cows have to be pregnant to produce milk? They’re artificially inseminated throughout most of their lives. I hope everyone complaining about this also complains about ice cream and cheese. Or else they would be hypocrites who just want to blame others but never look at themselves.
Maybe I don’t have to stop drinking after all…
A truly pragmatic take away
Yeah, I’m wondering if I can pre-order
It takes time to grow, so you better!
You made me snort into my whiskey glass
I like the way you think! finishes beer and grabs another
So people kill animals for fun, but when someone suggests using animals to save lives it’s evil?
Fix things in logical order and hopefully by then we’ll have developed other solutions that do not depend on animals. But don’t fight against progress when there are so many horrible and useless things that are allowed at the same time, pick your fights efficiently.
Farming pigs in ultra tiny spaces with horrible conditions where some of them die before getting brutally slaughtered to have cheap meat which is not necessary for human nutrition anymore, just tasty - totally fine
Farming pigs and treating them very well so that they grow healthy organs for terminally sick humans to then kill them in a controlled and anesthesized setting - how dare you
Fuck it. Both good.
People just want to be heard.
I feel like contrarians exist because they feel more powerful going against the grain then going along with it.
Humans truly are the monsters in this story.
Living people is more important than dead animals.
Plus, every new kidney comes with a side of bacon. How can you resist a deal like that?
I think you are proving OP right.
If OP is an ethical vegan, then they have a point. Everyone else needs to get over themselves.
No vegan has a point if they’re opposed to growing new human organs.
Human lives are more valuable than any animal’s life.
That’s a judgement call. I mean, I agree, but it’s not objectively true.
Sure, but that’s my opinion, and thankfully the opinion of the overwhelming majority of people.
Veganism is stupid
Eh… why do you care enough to have an opinion about them? Do you know a lot of pushy vegans? If yes, the problem isn’t veganism, it’s pushy jerks.
Veganism is fine because I’m not vegan so I don’t care.
And why is that? Why attach value which can be compared to living species? I dislike such kind of ethical system. This is a flawed absolutist argument.
I like that commenters keep saying animals as if that blanket term doesn’t include humans. Anyone who thinks people aren’t animals is not worth arguing with.
this is a flawed absolutist argument
animals and humans are equal
Lol
eats bacon cheeseburger
Taking context from your other comments: no I don’t eat animal products.
The comment section is laughable. I hope none of you or your loved ones will need an organ transplant in the future, since it’s better to be put on a waiting list and cross your fingers that you won’t die before an organ is available, since cattle is oh-so-important and precious.
Cattle are important and precious. There are already immoral practices brought by capitalism while raising animals for slaughter. This doesn’t imply that it’s moral to now bring an animal to life just to steal its organs as well.
Organ transplant can be achieved artificially by just developing the organs themselves in the lab. There already has been work done in that regard.
important and precious
They’d literally be extinct if not for domestication. They evolved to be slow, stupid, and delicious
They were literally force breed by humans. They did not “evolve” to be like that.
Gonna play a drinking game with all the people who don’t understand that force breeding does indeed evolve a creature.
One drink for every person confidently stating inaccuracies about this. So far I’m at 4.
Going to a cookout, so the beers will go great with the burgers.
Stupidity clearly doesn’t belong only in cattle.
Yeah it also belongs to vegans
I’m not going to say this is immoral but it does reveal how little we care about animals when we are willing to farm organs across species, which has got to be more difficult. It’s something we would never consider doing with humans but will be willing to bend over backward to do with animals., and then vociferously defend it online. It’s just revealing, that’s all. Animals have zero moral standing in our society. None.
Weird take, it’s like you’re conflating acceptable losses and apathy.
Scientists would use human embryos, if given the ability to. Unfortunately there are people who believe that life happens the moment a man injects his baby batter into a woman’s love tunnel.
These are why people kill animals for this, not because they “don’t give a shit about animals”.
Very weird. It’s like you told me I was wrong and then repeated what I said. There’s an obviously massive difference in value placed on humans and animals here. Is that less confusing?
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English degree here, chief. Writing is a two way communication, and you failed to make your point.
Why don’t you illuminate the big difference between acceptable losses and apathy, since that is the only thing you seem to want to have a point about. And don’t just define the two, one after the other. This will be on the test.
Everything else you said is just “it’s not that we don’t give a fuck about animals, we just give a fuck about humans.” Which, in the end, amounts to the same thing.
Your point: people don’t care about animals!
My point: people do care about animals, religious people get in the way.
Your degree doesn’t matter.
We would absolutely consider doing this with humans. We actually DO this with humans. Skin grafts, organ transplants.
Yeah, I don’t really take meat-eaters seriously when they complain about animal rights abuses.
They clearly don’t care, or else they wouldn’t be eating meat, lol.
Counterpoint: It is possible to be a person who consumes meat while also caring that the meat they are consuming is sourced ethically (e.g. not raised in confinement, humanely slaughtered with as little pain inflicted as possible, etc.).
If you asked the average consumer if they cared whether or not the meat that they were buying is abuse-free, I’d say 99% of them would say that they do in fact care, but the meat industry does everything in it’s power to obfuscate the process so they can keep up their cost-saving abusive tactics to save a few pennies.
You can have humanely sourced meat. There’s a vast difference between “wow Tyson is a fucking horrible company, don’t buy their chicken” and “wow this local farm/butcher really fucking did a good job”.
Death is a part of life. The problem with the meat industry is overconsumptiom. Not with killing animals for meat.
Do meat animals live long? Also, how many meat animals are from “local farms”?
devils advocate.
I hope aliens are real and they choose you to pump out more organs because theirs failed from all the shit they eat so this way they can keep doing unhealthy things. Because there’s plenty of selfish people out there who chose to damage their bodies.
it’s not fair that some random fucking animal gets to be brought onto the earth solely for the purpose of your fat fucking ass who can’t stop shoving burgers down your face.
Yes I did ignore legitimate uses for this sort of thing because no shit some people actually need organs at no fault of their own and no, I’m not talking about animals being used for food because that’s not the topic.
It’s hypocritical though to be against slaughtering animals for organs but be okay with animals being slaughtered for food. I’d argue killing animals for food is even worse because it’s unnecessary.
I can’t argue about dietary findings as the gut is still a very much unknown environment which includes things like digestion and nutrient processing and I know very little on that topic frankly
I can argue however that needing a new liver because you’re a drunk and feeding your child some chicken are two veeeery different needs. Some people do need these organs, that’s fine. What I’m not fine with is knowing damn well man will abuse this shit and abuse the animals where as food is a consistent need not a resultant need.
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Could you imagine if we extended the life span of every person on earth by 30 years? We would be so fucked population wise. Plus we already have issues supporting our elderly population, what happens a couple decades later, when the average age of the retired is 95? Capitalism would need to be entirely restructured… to the point where it is no longer Capitalism.
No we wouldn’t. The earth isn’t overpopulated with humans.
We just choose to be inefficient with our resources so as few people as possible can live as lavish a life as possible.
And you think extending people’s lives will change that, or somehow make that equation better? If anything it would just be used to literally put people back into indentured servitude just to stay alive.
I’d still prefer growing headless human clones for parts, but this is good enough.
don’t miss out your monthly payment.
No ManBearPig mentions yet? Half man, half bear, half pig?
No, it’s half bear and half man pig
The pigoons said they would leave your garden alone if you stopped hunting them.
Man, I have ALWAYS wished outloud “I wish we humans has spare parts, so I can replace my always congested nose, my fucked up knee and shoulder”. My dream is finally coming true???
Those are sadly not organs.
Well, it’s a start. I wouldn’t mind a new knee myself.
Damn.
Damn!
Some Scottish scientist has been working with 3D printing organs. I haven’t heard anything about it in a few years though. This is definitely cheaper, as he has to work with your specific stem cells and culture them to use as “ink”
The future looks bright.
Hopefully in my life time. Lol
Great news but an absolute braindead take from most commenters here…
Firstly, I would like to thank our Tleilaxu overlords
Is it just me, or did I see this exact headline like 10 separate times?
Right, and this time they are just as uncertain if this method will lead to usable organs. It still has lots of pig dna in some structures in the organ.
The Island and Chicken Run crossover nobody asked for!
I think China called dibs on that achievement decades ago.
first human organ created inside an animal opens the door to manufacturing ‘spare parts’ for people
China:
They don’t need pigs for that when a whole bunch of fully grown political dissidents are available for slaughter at the earliest convenience.
