• NickwithaC@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    This will happen when you overwork your populace to the point that they haven’t the time to raise children.

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      11 months ago

      In addition to a very xenophobic culture that doesn’t allow the addition of missing working-age people via immigration.

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        11 months ago

        I am going to be downvoted but here we go: In addition to immigration that dont want to adapt to countries cultures and want to bring their own culture into the new countries.

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      11 months ago

      The US is in for something similar in about 40 years now that the “job creators” have made it entirely unaffordable to live, let alone raise children, while also opposing legal immigration.

      • A_Toasty_Strudel@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        Yeah, I’m a 28 year old better off than most people I know personally, and I’m not even close to feeling like I’ll ever make enough money to have children.

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          11 months ago

          Lots of people are opposed to all sorts of legal immigration. Many people actually believe that immigrants can take away jobs from natives if they come over en masse, and then we won’t have jobs for people born here

          It’s dumb but they believe it.

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          11 months ago

          The US is extremely unfriendly to legal immigration. You can be legally working in the states for a decade and yet not qualify for PR and have to leave. This is a major discouraging factor for skilled workers who don’t want to deal with that kind of uncertainty.

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            11 months ago

            I had a girlfriend with a PhD working at a national lab, who also had a family with tens of millions of dollars (Euros, I guess actually). She was worried if she didn’t get a job after her residency or whatever was done, she’d have to leave the country. If she doesn’t feel secure I can only imagine for people without advanced education and wealth.

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              11 months ago

              Yeah pretty much that. A lot of people think getting a job and work permit = immigration. It’s not. I’m not uprooting my life to move to a country only to get kicked out 2 presidents later.

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          11 months ago

          I don’t mean highly skilled work. Approximately 10 million undocumented immigrants work low paying jobs and are deprived of any sort of benefits or protection under law such as minimum wage, overtime, health benefits, OSHA protections, unemployment and workers compensation for injuries. Oddly they tend to work for businesses owned by conservatives such as meatpacking, agriculture, roofing, and construction. These businesses are well aware that they are hiring people who do not have legal authorization to work in the US. At the same time, they support politicians who demonize immigrants and have made absolutely no effort to legitimize the legal status of their workforce. Huh, I wonder why.

    • SirEDCaLot@lemmy.fmhy.net
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      11 months ago

      This is exactly it. Their young population is heavily overworked and underpaid. There is no work life balance, there is only showing dedication to the company. And for this you often aren’t even paid enough to move out of your parents house.

      To put this in perspective- in Japanese offices there is a thing called hanko. It’s a small stamp that is unique to each person. Memos are often printed on paper, then circulated, then each worker stamps it with their hanko to indicate they’ve read it. This caused huge problems during COVID and many offices refused to close simply because the management didn’t want to try any sort of ‘digital hanko’.
      The obvious answer to a Western culture is ‘that’s fucking stupid, replace that with any sort of e-document manager that tracks access and save a ton of time and paper and money’. But in Japan, the gray-haired manager gets respect and is not questioned so the hanko continues. The worker does not stand up and say ‘I demand more money and better working conditions’ because that is not how things work.

      So of course the overworked, underpaid, 20something year old who is just scraping by has no time to go out and try to meet a partner, let alone start a family they won’t have time for.

      As a nation, they will reap what they sow. The nation is turning gray and there will be nobody to care for them, or replace them. I think they will come out stronger- perhaps in 10-20 years when more of the older traditional people die, some of the younger folks can make serious changes. But for now they need radical reform if they want to avoid a very unhappy decade.

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        11 months ago

        | I think they will come out stronger- perhaps in 10-20 years when more of the older traditional people die, some of the younger folks can make serious changes.

        Why does this sound like how Rogaine works with hair?

  • i2ndshenanigans@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    According to Google their average life expectancy is 84. So in the next few years they can lose 10% of their population. With birth rates so low would they even be able to make up for that?

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      11 months ago

      All these right wingers talking about population levels are unironically correct but they fail to see that it is directly related to the failure of public services and shite wages.

      Make childcare public, enable stronger trade unions and watch us bust nuts.

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    11 months ago

    I read “as nation turns gay” but somehow it still made sense like yeah they’re old they don’t give a fuck anymore they all come out and be gay together