• galoisghost@aussie.zone
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    11 months ago

    The real reason it will fail is politics. The opposition party decided getting this voted down would strike a blow to the government.

    So they’ve just blown racist dog whistles, racist trumpets, set of racists cannons and doubled down on ignorance: “If you don’t know vote No”

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      10 months ago

      They have effectively weaponised division.

      They created division by spreading lies, uncertainty and fear. Lies were repeated over and over, and became increasingly outrageous, despite being refuted again and again.

      Then they pointed at the division they created and said “this is too divisive, we shouldn’t do it.”

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    10 months ago

    What’s even the point of having a democracy if the majority of the voter base is uninformed

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    10 months ago

    Voting on yes or no was made very easy when I saw that neo nazis, flat earthers, anti vaxxers and a multitude of other whack jobs are voting no. You are the company you keep in my book.

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    11 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Australians look set to reject a referendum proposal to recognise Indigenous people in the constitution by creating a body to advise parliament, with polls showing a clear majority for no in almost all states before Saturday’s vote.

    The yes campaign has also been battered by the Blak sovereignty movement, which has led the progressive no case, arguing the voice would be powerless while pushing for truth and treaty to come ahead of constitutional recognition.

    The no campaign has leaned heavily on the slogan “If you don’t know, vote no”, which former high court justice Robert French described as an invitation to “resentful, uninquiring passivity”.

    The Australian prime minister, Anthony Albanese, spent part of the final campaigning week in the nation’s centre, Uluru, where the proposal for the voice was first formally presented in 2017.

    Sitting with senior traditional owners in central Australia, Albanese said Australians had an opportunity to “lift the burden of history” and move forward with a positive vote on Saturday.

    “Many Indigenous Australians who are on the frontlines of dealing with these problems in towns and cities and communities and outstations and home lands are very worried about the prospect of losing the voice because they already have little say, and a loss will mean that they have even less.”


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  • Aurolei@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    I’ve voted Yes, albeit with a bit of hesitancy.

    As far as I am concerned, the role and functioning of the Voice is clearly defined in the proposal so this was never an issue for me. Where I feel people are generally stuck on is whether or not having an advisory body for just one demographic of people is naturally divisive. The argument becomes almost a bit of a slippery slope; if we have one body for indigenous people, why don’t we have one for other ethnic groups?

    At face value, I understand why this can be perceived as racist and divisive, however, I think we have to also agree there is a slight nuance to this issue. The fact of the matter is that our government has been creating laws surrounding indigenous people for ages and it is because they are unfortunately the most disadvantaged group within Australia. This has been long going now before even having a Voice and we haven’t been calling the government racist or divisive up until now (well most of us at least). Clearly what is in place now doesn’t work and we have a history of failed Voice to parliament’s because we have change hands so frequently that no one bothers to continue with taking those issues with the seriousness it deserves.

    Establishing a Voice does 2 things in my book. It provides the indigenous community with a level of autonomy to fix their own issues. Secondly, changing hands down the line cannot remove them. The proposal here also means that their level of influence will change as their needs are met. If at one point in time a Voice is no longer needed, it can be pulled back as needed.

    I hope people don’t buy into the catch phrases and simple minded thinking. Please make an informed decision and vote with how you feel best. Being open minded is all I really hope people can be when deciding how to vote.

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      10 months ago

      ’ The argument becomes almost a bit of a slippery slope; if we have one body for indigenous people, why don’t we have one for other ethnic groups?’

      idk I’ll take a wild stab and guess maybe becuse all other ethical groups in Australia didn’t live here for 60 000 plus years, have their land forcably removed, experienced mass genocide and an ongoing attempt to breed their ethnicity out of existence?

      that said, I’m glad you voted yes.

      but this is a dumb thing to say.

    • BeautifulMind ♾️@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      At face value, I understand why this can be perceived as racist and divisive

      I appreciate that you’re not working to promote the talking point where if a profoundly disadvantaged racial group is given representation it’s “racist against white people”, but I live in a country where white people routinely argue that any amount of civil rights protections is “racist against white people” and it gives me a headache processing that level of stupid.

      Yep, in my country it’s regular fare to hear GOP politicians bleat “you’re being divisive!” (as if our failure to submit to their rule is a fault)- it takes two to be on opposing sides of a divide, and it’s morally dishonest to pretend that only the other side of a disagreement is at fault for honest disagreement. Don’t let them work the ‘you’re being divisive’ angle, you’ll never hear the end of it.