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JERUSALEM, Nov 19 (Reuters) - Israel published video on Sunday of what it described as a tunnel dug by Palestinian militants under the Gaza Strip’s biggest hospital, a focus of its search-and-destroy missions against Hamas in a war now in its seventh week.
TLDR of Newsweek Article:
Fact Check: Did Israel Build Bunker Under Shifa Hospital?
The Ruling: True
Multiple sources have corroborated that a bunker or basement was built at Israel’s discretion in the 1980s.
It remains unclear whether Hamas operates the space beneath the hospital as a major military headquarters, even though the IDF has presented evidence of weapons stashed in the hospital.
To be clear, I personally think a concrete basement and a bunker are two different things, but without more details it’s difficult to know what the reality is.
I also find it annoying that the IDF video has multiple cuts and jumps, rather than showing directly from how you get to this tunnel from the hospital proper.
It makes it incredibly difficult to compare it to the building plans from then to see if this tunnel is indeed new or not. Which is maybe on purpose by the IDF on how they made the video?
For those curious:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsweek/
Bias Rating: RIGHT-CENTER
Factual Reporting: MOSTLY FACTUAL
Country: USA
MBFC’s Country Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Magazine
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY
MBFC, a site run by one guy for which nothing is known (other than that he shares a name with a highly respected lawyer and professor). Truly the bastion of free and honest journalism. His methodology for grading has… No methodology. It’s entirely subjective.
MBFC also rates the Electronic Intifada and Moon of Alabama as having never failed a fact check. Can I start posting EI articles, too?
It’s one data point, and I wouldn’t rely solely on the Media Bias/Fact Check website. It’s a useful tool, but not the end all be all authority on bias and factual reporting. If you have something similar or better I’d love to see it.
They describe their methodology on each page, along with multiple links to multiple sources citing direct examples.
Their methodology is literally “this is the number I feel like they deserve”
Only if you don’t read anything on the page and ignore all of the evidence they present.
So this is a new tunnel that didn’t exist before? And is not a part of the large basement tunnel complex Israel made when they built al-Shifa in the 80’s?
I believe literally no-one, at any point, has claimed the tunnel is new.
I mean, the article above claims that the IDF said so in their video. And the long-standing claim by Israel has been that Hamas dug an entirely new network of tunnels beneath the hospital.
It would be strange if they were just meaning the tunnels they themselves made decades ago.
Haha you’re funny
What strikes me is the complete discordance of the realities of Israelis and Palestinians shown in the pictures attached to the article. There’s multiple pictures of a grand funeral with flags, pomp, and circumstance…and compare that to the white sheets and mass graves in Gaza. The Israeli soldier gets a military funeral with honors and fanfare while innumerable Palestinians are interred in barely marked mass graves with little to no ceremony because the number of dead simply does not allow for paying respects to each victim.
just some observations:
in the beginning of the video it seems to be a drone, then halfway through there is a cut. lighting changes considerably, and it seems to be a person filming judging by the camera swaying side to side.
Hospitals commonly tave tunnels to access labs or similar infrastructure, some which may not be in the same oberground building.
you cant tell from the video where this is, so it could be under the hospital, or not.
That cut is pretty damning.
If Skippy62able can have hundreds of videos of him eating without cuts, I think the Israeli military can record a hospital without cuts.
You know, especially considering lives are on the line and Israel has a reputation for lying and never facing consequences.
Remember the Samson Option? Remember how Israel is the only nation with nuclear weapons that hasn’t admitted to having them?
I 'member. Don’t take a single thing that shithole says at face value, or its American puppet.
The post and video on Twitter/X adds additional context, including a wider view by what is likely a drone.
“The IDF and Shin Bet security agency release new footage showing part of Hamas’s tunnel network underneath Gaza City’s Shifa Hospital, where the terror group is believed to have a main command center.
Clips are published from two separate devices that were lowered into a tunnel entrance discovered by the IDF on Thursday in the Shifa complex.
The tunnel shaft had been located on the hospital grounds under a canopy, where IDF troops had also found a Hamas pickup truck with weapons in it, similar to those used by the terror group in the October 7 attacks.
The new videos show that the tunnel shaft has a winding staircase from around three meters deep, continuing down for another seven meters until it reaches part of the tunnel network. The tunnel continues for five meters, before turning to the right and continuing for another 50 meters.
At the end of the tunnel, the footage reveals a blast door with what the IDF says is a gunhole for Hamas to shoot through.
“This type of door is used by the Hamas terror organization to block the ability of our forces to enter the organization’s headquarters and underground assets,” the IDF says.
“The findings prove beyond all doubt that buildings in the hospital complex are used as infrastructure for the Hamas terror organization, for terror activity. This is further proof of the cynical use that the Hamas terror organization makes of the residents of the Gaza Strip as a human shield for its murderous terror activities,” the IDF adds.
The IDF and Shin Bet say they are continuing to operate at Shifa to expose Hamas’s tunnel network in the area.“
oh I am not saying they are wrong per say. All Im trying to say is that this is propaganda, and you should look very carefully at and pick apart ANY propaganda
also, when the fuck did twitter stop limiting tweets?
Yeah, IDF statements should definitely be taken with a large grain of salt, but it’s still invaluable information.
And yeah Twitter/X seems all over the place. I hate it as a platform, but sometimes it’s necessary. No idea when they made direct links to Tweets work again, but they still won’t let you browse more widely without logging in.
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I mean if it makes your world view look bad, you’ll tell yourself anything to be skeptical of news that your side was in fact digging tunnels and using the hospital as a shield
see my other comment
All Im trying to say is that this is propaganda, and you should look very carefully at and pick apart ANY propaganda
but guessong by your comment you dont really care
Is this according to the same Israel that called a water reservoir an “opening into the Hamas tunnels?”
The same one that released a faked video of a “nurse from al-Shifa?”
The very same.
Free Palestine.
From Hamas
And from Zionism
That word makes most people see you as the problem
Why
Since no one is bothering to answer, I’ll attempt to explain that perspective.
Many people see “Zionist” as coded language. Similar to how racists often call Black People “Thugs” in America.
Right or wrong, if you start throwing around the term “Zionist” a significant number of people will tune out to what you are saying.
To many, it also implies you anti-Israel and do not believe in a 2 state solution.
So what is the term for the large Israeli faction that seeks to occupy Palestine, has no problem stealing land or bombing children? Basically the people in charge now?
You’re not allowed to talk about that.
The Zionist community has tried really hard to conflate Zionism with Jewish identity, to the point where anything critical of Israel and Netanyahu’s regime is seen as antisemitic.
To be clear, I have no interest in arguing this point. I only want to add context.
I think the only people who see it as coded language are those who want to avoid the fact that Zionism is religious nationalism.
Most people I come across these days that aren’t zionist shills can clearly tell the difference between anti-zionist and anti-semite.
It’s pretty obvious when you’re dealing with a zionist shill because it’s impossible for them to be even the slightest bit critical of Israel.
Maybe there are some higher-level shills that are trained to be critical of Israel to be more convincing, though.
Ngl, I am not surprised. Hamas average
This is the best summary I could come up with:
JERUSALEM, Nov 19 (Reuters) - Israel published video on Sunday of what it described as a tunnel dug by Palestinian militants under the Gaza Strip’s biggest hospital, a focus of its search-and-destroy missions against Hamas in a war now in its seventh week.
While acknowledging that it has a network of hundreds of kilometres of secret tunnels, bunkers and access shafts throughout the Palestinian enclave, Hamas has denied that these are located in civilian infrastructure like hospitals.
In an update on operations in Gaza City’s Al Shifa Hospital, the Israeli military said its engineers had uncovered a tunnel 10 metres deep and running 55 metres to a blast-proof door.
“This type of door is used by the Hamas terrorist organisation to block Israeli forces from entering the command centres and the underground assets belonging to Hamas,” said a military statement accompanied by video showing a narrow passage with arched concrete roofing, ending at a grey door.
The statement did not say what was beyond the door.
The tunnel had been accessed through a shaft discovered in a shed within the Shifa compound that contained munitions, it said.
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