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I see Argentina decided they weren’t fucked enough.
Desperate people make poor but desperate choices. 150% inflation? Goddamn, people here are freaking out about 5%…
There was a thread a couple days ago about how do you see the world ending. It’s stuff like this, situation will het worse and worse so people will turn to crazier and crazier solutions.
We’re all in for an interesting next few decades.
I predict that Argentinians are going to like this even less in the long run than the stuff the Peronists have gotten up to
I can get the annoyance with how the economy has been… but jeez, what is the real solution here? I can’t see much of anything positive coming out of this.
Elect normal-ass people instead of batcrap loonies like milei or the peronists.
What options are in Argentina currently? I have almost zero knowledge of the political system there.
Juan Schiaretti was the most normal dude of the runner ups, but besides him being like 70, nobody knew who he even was in the Political Spectrum, just this elections have made him visible enough that he got a good amount of votes and good reputation
The others? Peronists (All the Blue colored Parties)
A Lizardman known as “Larreta” who’s an Authoritarian and one of the most incompetent sons of bitches that has ever governed Buenos Aires and the other of his same Party “Patricia Bullrich” A LITERAL TERRORIST on the 70s and previously Security Minister, didnt do a great job, both of them in the Yellow Party
Lastly there was Milei… so yeah
Prehaps something good and unexpected might come out of milei’s election even though he seems like an completely and utterly crackpot
in my somewhat biased opinion having only read a few articles before handthen again he might end up “drowning” in his glow-in-the-dark swimming pool. You can’t predict the future. Plus it can always be worse. Milei might have some great plan’s in the work.he could be a good competent leaderLet’s all agree that, even Schiaretti being the most presidential candidate, none except for Milei has a political platform, or a plan. Larreta literally said “I’ll comment on that once I’m president”. And Bullrich made a poor joke of herself in the debates.
So yeah… Milei was the unlikely best candidate.
I think the only silver lining will (hopefully) be a whiplash reaction once the authoritarian populists fuck things up enough.
It’s been a slow one in the UK, at least the US had a four-year load of nonsense to deal with before finding reality again.
For real - our electoral systems are utterly fucked, but sometimes yours makes ours look like a damn tea party
I assume that, just like with trump, they won’t admit that they were bamboozled and will just double down with the crazy.
Most likely. That seems to be the pattern.
Can someone explain me this? In Argentina, the majority of the workers are employed by government (crazy rate of employment by a government, I don’t think they actually need all those people), but then the majority of the voters elect someone that plans to cut spending a lot, meaning most of those workers that voted him will be laid off.
Make Argentina Great Again.
Sad to see people fall for the same bullshit over and over.
Can we theorize a situation where an average Argentinian voter consciously chooses a short term crisis with the prospect of normalization over a lifetime stagnation and decay? Argentina’s economy was shit for a long time, and maybe people’s intent is to wreck things for a change?
People forget accelerationists exist… I doubt Trump would have won without them.
I know they’re out there, but there can’t be a significant enough bloc of them to swing things. I’ve never encountered one outside of the internet, and even on the internet they mostly seem to be acting facetiously.
I know tons of them IRL. They just said things like this country is already shit? What’s the worse thing that happens, Trump burns everything down? That’s what we need to happen anyway to move forward.
I have heard that sentiment a lot.
Do you have any evidence that a significant number of voters have ever voted for short-term harm to enable some hypothetical future benefit?
2015 elections. Actually, 2015 elections are a better example than this. Argentina wasn’t half as bad as now. And people in the most important place (Conurban region) view for the change, because there was a solution that was not peronism. Unfortunately, Macri let everyone down with his gradualism strategy, instead of a shock strategy. That’s why the peronism came back.
I’m simplifying a lot of stuff, there are other reasons for everything. Like Cristina’s legal issues, the kirchnerist party corruption, and the sort. In the same vein, Macri’s lack of boldness in some cases created a crisis of its own.
You really think the average and below person is going to be able go make that connection?
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Ugh. The way that generally centre-right economic policy wonks are celebrating Milei’s election is grotesque.
I get that dollarization would probably be good for Argentina.
Even as a leftist, I’m open to the possibility that an anti-Peronist economic policy could save the country - I doubt they could survive another Peronist.
But Milei is the worst kind of MAGA wingnut. He’s a talk-radio shock jock. It’s like if they elected Tucker Carlson or Don Cherry into the casa rosada.
His one possibly-good policy idea doesn’t overshadow that.
Look I understand, I really do.
When I was a kid, I was told to beware of clothes irons because they are hot.
But one day, curiosity got the better of me, and I touched the damn thing to see if it was hot. Hurt like hell, still have the scar to this day. But I don’t touch hot surfaces anymore.
Go on Argentina, touch the iron :)
It’ll be a miracle if in the next year alone he doesn’t completely obliterate what’s left of Argentina’s economy.
He’s a self-proclaimed anarcho-capitalist
Great, a walking oxymoron.
Maybe this time it will be different. (Inset some weird emoji that denotes is won’t with a mix of sadness, regret, and ennui)
Ron Howard voice: It wasn’t.
They will end up eating pebbles and screws.
Time to bankrupt a country to pay off venture capital debts!
Worked out great for the last guy to acquiesce to American interests…
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Official results showed Milei with near 56% versus 44% for his rival, Peronist Economy Minister Sergio Massa, who conceded in a speech.
His plans include shutting the central bank, ditching the peso, and slashing spending, potentially painful reforms that resonated with voters angry at the economic malaise.
“Milei is the new thing, he’s a bit of an unknown and it is a little scary, but it’s time to turn over a new page,” said 31-year-old restaurant worker Cristian as he voted on Sunday.
He will have to deal with the empty coffers of the government and central bank, a creaking $44 billion debt program with the International Monetary Fund, inflation nearing 150% and a dizzying array of capital controls.
“The election marks a profound rupture in the system of political representation in Argentina,” said Julio Burdman, director of the consultancy Observatorio Electoral, ahead of the vote.
Supporters of Massa, 51, an experienced political wheeler-dealer, had sought to appeal to voter fears about Milei’s volatile character and “chainsaw” plan to cut back the size of the state.
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If by shock therapy you mean the electric chair…
Am I allowed to draw a parallelism with last year’s elections in Italy? More than 50% of Argentinians have Italian ancestry, no wonder they naturally lean towards fascism.
Libertarianism and facism are two different can of worms there’s no lines to connect here generally libertarianism is.more left wing but you can also get right-libertarianism as well while facism is completely alt-right smack dad right at the top
Libertarianism is essentially putting it as simply as I can is where a state or plot of land may split into little self governing microstates
And fascism is an established one party totalitarian state which has complete and utter control of there population might I add the complete and utter opersite of libertarianism. Your free to read the Wikipedia for both they’ll explain it better than I ever couldIn principle, libertarianism is very different from fascism. In practice, a lot of people who call themselves libertarians are just fascists who are worried about losing the freedoms that benefit them personally, but are happy to take away other people’s freedoms.
Rothbard/Friedman libertarians, neo-libertarians, are 100% fascistic in tendency. They’re also 100% non libertarian oxymorons. But unfortunately, those posers are the only sort of libertarians. Many people in western societies are exposed to. Largely due to astroTurfing campaigns by fascistic wealthy individuals. Who’ve stolen the term and subverted its meaning completely. Because if your average person actually understood actual libertarian goals etc. The stolen hordes of wealth that many of these people hold would be directly threatened.
Why the downvotes?
Saying “Nazism and Comunism are the same because National-Socialism” has the same academic rigor as saying “Liberalism, the convert name of Fascisim”.
Nothing alike.
Hold whatever opinion you want regarding any of those ideologies, but at least make the effort to base your opinion on something.
