Article on subject:
Susan Sarandon dropped by talent agency after remarks at pro-Palestine rally [Nov 21 2023 | Adrian Horton | The Guardian] https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/nov/21/susan-sarandon-pro-palestinian-remarks-uta-dropped
I can’t read the article, what did she say?
Nothing that any sane, educated human would view as antisemitic. Anti-Netanyahu, sure. Anti war-crimes, yes. Pro hamas, no. Pro peace, yes
This is not an anti-jewish stance at all.
“”" You don’t have to be Palestinian to care about what’s happening in Gaza. I stand with Palestine. No one is free until everyone is free. https://t.co/23JHFbuf5K — Susan Sarandon (@SusanSarandon) November 4, 2023 “”"
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This is some of what she said:
Newsweek:
“You don’t have to be Palestinian to care about what’s happening in Gaza,” she wrote alongside the snap with members of the Palestinian Feminist Collective. “I stand with Palestine. No one is free until everyone is free.”
At the rally, Sarandon said: “There are a lot of people afraid of being Jewish at this time, and are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country.”
Guardian:
In remarks captured on video, Sarandon encouraged others to keep speaking up in support of Palestinians in the Israel-Hamas war. “People are questioning, people are standing up, people are educating themselves, people are stepping away from brainwashing that started when they were kids,” said Sarandon at the rally. She encouraged attendees to “be strong, be patient, be clear and stand with anybody who has the courage to speak out” and thanked “the Jewish community who’s come out to have our backs”.
There is nothing offensive there. She’s right, those attacking her are just vehemently against honest conversation about this issue.
This is similar to the idiocy of the Red Scare, where anything less than “I LOVE MARKET CAPITALISM BECAUSE SUPPLY SIDE JEEBUS TELLS ME SO!” made you a blacklisted, ostracized filthy commie pinko.
Except, you know, “standing with Israel” no matter how many war crimes their well funded government and military commits against mostly children with nothing because of a terrorist attack most Palestinians had nothing to do with.
I’ll just leave this here:
Way more Palestinians died in 2023 than Israelis. What even is this graph?
This data is from october, shortly after the beginning of the conflict and the instigating Hamas attack, before Israel really started their onslaught.
I haven’t found a more up to date graph, but it makes the point of who’s been getting killed in the last 15 years. People respond more to graphs than words.
What are talking about?! She’s implying that Jews in the United States are somehow responsible for the treatment Muslims have faced in the country, in the backdrop of an Israeli conflict. At least she thinks they should be feeling something similar. How is she right that she should say Jews in the US should be made to feel like that? What’s the connection? “Nothing offensive,” as well as her remarks show you who the real haters are.
Your chart doesn’t make it all better either.
Does she say they should be made to feel that way, or they are feeling that way? It seems an observation, not accusation or prompt for action (beyond stopping hostile actions towards Palestinians).
I hear you. But she doesn’t buffer her language, at least not that the article mentions, on either side to make it sound more academic. It’s clear to more than just me that she said something wrong. And didn’t say enough right.
Except you have mischaracterized what she said. So it’s not clear whether you have an axe to grind and are being deliberately misleading, or if you just blindly follow people who do.
To people with privilege, a taste of equality tastes like oppression.
Muslims are one of our many groups of second class citizens in the US.
Christians have and continue to enjoy social privilege here. Many equate it with morality, barf.
I was raised Roman Catholic, and I’m well aware that privilege is extended to the Religious Jewish community because our Christian imaginary sky dictator needs the follower’s of the Jewish imaginary sky dictator to stand in a specific spot, presumably not while standing on one foot while rubbing their stomachs, so the Christian Imaginary dictator can end the world… but you know, in a good way or something.
And yeah, that social privilege is NOT extended in any way to the people that worship the Mulsim imaginary sky dictator.
I don’t care what pokemon you worship, but it needs to stop being taken seriously by the actual world outside of your own worship. The minute you’re willing to oppress, imprison, attack, or otherwise murder others for the sake of your favorite pokemon, and I really don’t care which pokemon, Buddha, Thanos, Yahweh, Raichu, Allah, Magicarp, Vishnu, Jehovah, whatever… just fuck you.
On a side note, that imaginary sky dictator, gaslighting ‘us’ into believing that the end of the world is a good thing, really reads capitalism vibes. I only relatively recently realised how deeply capitalism needed to imbed itself to really take off. It needs oppression, it needs war, it needs homelessness and joblessness, it needs racism, it needs misogyny, and so many of those systems are built using a bible (that is against most of that) to enforce it.
How tf you misunderstand something so badly?
At the rally, Sarandon said: “There are a lot of people afraid of being Jewish at this time, and are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country.”
I do find this thing she said dogy…
“There are a lot of people afraid of being Jewish at this time, and are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country.”
I don’t think Jewish people need reminding of the west’s antisemitism - the west literally invented it and, despite all pretences to the contrary, has merely tried to hide it from view as opposed to actually dismantling it.
But apart from that her words are perfectly reasonable.
As an American Jew, I’ve almost gotten used to facing anti-semitism from the right. A Republican politician is tacitly approving of Nazis waving swastika flags and chanting anti-semitic slogans? Must be a day that ends in Y.
What’s scared me is the anti-semitism I’ve seen from some on the left. I’m not talking about criticizing Israel or wanting the Palestinians to be safe. I don’t count that as anti-semitism. I’m talking about people on the left saying that all Jews are responsible for what Israel is doing and saying that American Jews (including Jewish temples and Jewish owned businesses) are legitimate targets because Israel did stuff they disagree with. And then there are others on the left who try to gaslight Jews who say they are encountering anti-semitism - telling them that they aren’t and are just imagining it.
Intellectually, I know this is a very vocal minority, but suddenly hearing this from the left while still hearing anti-semitic remarks from the right has me scared and not feeling safe. I don’t want to publicly identify myself as Jewish in public for fear of encountering someone who either hates me for my religion or who holds me responsible for the actions of a country that I’m not a citizen of.
With all due respect, I’ve yet to see any Leftist discourse saying anything remotely like what you’ve written. Even on Hexbear.
people on the left saying that all Jews are responsible for what Israel is doing and saying that American Jews (including Jewish temples and Jewish owned businesses) are legitimate targets because Israel did stuff they disagree with.
yeah that’s fucked.
Thats really awful. It’s not OK to make all Jews wear the blame for another country’s actions.
welcome to the irrationality of racism
Can you point to any examples of that?
In New Zealand, we have had synagogues targeted.
It’s unfortunate that Israeli propaganda has been unrelentingly conflating jewishness and israeliness. A real disservice to Jews everywhere.
“There are a lot of people afraid of being Jewish at this time, and are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country.”
I don’t think Jewish people need reminding of the west’s antisemitism
To read the original comment again, you may find it’s not about proving or disproving one form of hate but comparing with another level of hate in the country.
And, while there’s no Olympic medal for hate victims being more victimized than another, the physical brand of hate muslims can be a little exceptional after the 1900s. Not being a member of either group, my read of the ‘taste of’ quote would have been more received if the comparison to Germany in the late 1900s was more blatant.
But I’ll take this moment to add: the friends I have whom I know follow Judaism do not hate like one state demands they hate. And that needs to change.
But I’ll take this moment to add: the friends I have whom I know follow Judaism do not hate like one state demands they hate. And that needs to change.
Wait, what?
I think they’re referring to stuff like this: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-paints-palestinians-as-animals-to-legitimize-war-crimes-israeli-scholar/3030278
That doesn’t really make sense though. Why would their friends not hating in this way need to change?
Yeah, I couldn’t see anything in that statement to defend. It was stupid as best, and makes her sound like she condones the behavior. Like you said, Jewish people don’t need a reminder of anti-semitic hate and violence.
Oh look; McCarthy blacklists!
Not a single name I recognize in that list.
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A shame Sarandon wasn’t given the same treatment years ago when she claimed chemical weapons attacks in Syria had been faked & presented Assad as the victim of Western regime change policies, rather than the 21st Century’s most notorious war criminal.
Just now hearing about this.
So she basically said antisemitism is okay because Islamophobia exists. Like, “well, if we can’t stop racism, let’s at least be racist against everyone.” Maybe the worst take in the past 2 months of incredibly bad takes.
This is coming from a white, cisgender person who is neither Jewish nor Muslim, and is worth $60 million ($10 million she made since the start of the pandemic)
Imagine being as dumb as this comment.
Imagine defending a white person speaking over two minorities and telling them how they should feel about one another.
When you have to take Olympic sized leaps to make your argument sound better you have to know you done fucked up.
When you have to ignore minorities telling you how they’re affected by something them you are probably just a-OK and you should keep doing what you’re doing and bit think about it too hard.
The only minority I’m ignoring is you if you are one because you’re a fucking idiot.
No. That’s not what she said at all. You’ve misinterpreted her very clear words.
What did she say? The few quotes I’ve found so far don’t seem to line up with what you are suggesting.
I don’t see that in the quotes, what are you referring to?
Here is a response from Muslim American journalist Asra Nomani: (Sorry for the X Link) It includes the quote and Asra’s response to it.
For every one Muslim who has a wonderful and positive experience in the USA, I can give you ten who are treated like shit, dehumanized and ridiculed on a daily basis. You cannot paper over Islamophobia with one nice anecdote just like you cannot do the opposite with anti semitism.
That entire Twitter comments reads like some freedumber wrote it.
Yet Sarandon’s comment does exactly that with antisemitism. She portrays it as something that may (should?) be measured in relation to Islamophobia, and she characterizes it as “getting a taste.” Does that mean antisemitism is less than? It accounts for 60% of US religion-based hate crimes, despite Jews being about 2% of the population. It’s been that way for some time.
I don’t get it, she can’t do that, but you can? Nobody here is saying anti semitism is ok, or doesn’t exist, nor is she from an honest read.
EXACTLY!
