The media won’t give me great answers to this question and I think this I trust
this community more, thus I want to know from you. Also, I have heard reports
that Russia was winning the war, if that’s true, did the west miscalculate the
situation by allowing diplomacy to take a backseat and allowing Ukraine to a
large plethora of military resources? PS: I realize there are many casualties on
both sides and I am not trying to downplay the suffering, but I am curious as to
how it is going for Ukraine. Right now I am hearing ever louder calls of Russia
winning, those have existed forever, but they seem to have grown louder now, so
I was wondering what you thought about it. Also, I am somewhat concerned of
allowing a dictatorship to just erase at it’s convenience a free and democratic
country.
This was my fav comment in the the thread hands down. Turns out all NATO had to do was to fly 200 F35s in and that would be the end of Russian army 😂
Because lobbing shells at eachother is Soviet doctrine, not NATO. NATO doctrine is to bomb the everloving shit out of someone with massive air superiority. If NATO decided to send 200 F35s to Ukraine, there would be no need to more 155mm shells.
And because it’s not doctrine, nobody really wants to build more artillery factories that will sell great now, and get mothballed in 5 years. If Russia steps into NATO territory, those factories will sprout like mushrooms, but it’s simply a bad business decision to do so now.
Not only do they lack materialism, they are also entirely disconnected from things that actually happen
nobody really wants to build more artillery factories that will sell great now, and get mothballed in 5 years
There was a whole bunch of articles in the US press on why this is an actual problem and how the US was going to address it by giving more money to the military industrial complex
“We’re not doing the thing that works, because that’s soviet badthink. We’re not going to adapt any industrial capacity towards doing the thing that works, because that’s not how we do things. We’re not going to change the way we do things because that’s not what makes the most money. We are very intelligent and winning the war against the Russian hordes”.
Ask them about the production ability of planes and weapons for them. 200 F-35 is little below of 1/4th of entire amount ever produced and probably around half of currently operative ones.
If US actually did that it would be the incredible blunder for them, those losses would left US Air Force crippled for years.
I would bet money that US does not have the logistics capability to actually field 200 F35s right now. And I also think that it’s extremely likely that the first time it engages Russian air defences, it’ll go down in flames. There’s a reason US and Israel don’t want to operate them anywhere close to Russian air defences in Syria.
Okay, I’m not a military/weapons expert or even an enthusiast but does Russia not have their own air defence which would include aircrafts like the F35? I’m just trying to understand the thought process here. Does Russian air defence just suck or is that an assumption they’re making? On every other front they’re doing well, but air is their weakness? It just seems kind of unlikely, but again, I don’t really know much about this stuff…
In fact, Russia has some of the best air defence around. The west focused on trying to achieve air superiority through stealth during the Cold War, while USSR instead focused on air defence systems. Today, it’s generally acknowledged that Russia has some of the best air defence systems in the world, and many of these don’t have any western equivalents https://missilethreat.csis.org/system_tax/russian-air-defense/
Liberal brain flatness. F-35 program cost is absolutely astronomical, but when liberal hear of it, the pavlov reaction kicks in, and the only conclusions he can get from that is “wow, if it cost 10 times more than Russian fighter, it is surely 10 times better” instead of what even he knows on a daily basis, that in his corrupted country there is nothing more corrupted than MIC.
By all accounts, the RF’s air defense network is really fucking good, because they’ve had like 60 years to adapt to the NATO strategy of sending a million bombers to level a place and counting on the enemy being too poor the intercept them.
Although even then, the Viet Minh sometimes managed to shoot down US planes just with massed rifle fire
Well it’s nice to know that its the exact opposite of what is being stated. You’d think if it was that easy they’d send planes over by now but clearly that wouldn’t bode well for NATO…
I personally think that’s why Ukraine hasn’t been given F35s, because the US knows it would be a pr disaster for it’s highly publicized, peer combat-untested 80 million dollar wunderwaffe to eat an S-3000 missile that ‘only’ cost a million to make.
A big part of the lib’s understanding of the world is built upon the idea that they are the “clever hero” who will come up with a brilliant strategy that their enemy will never see coming. This is the baseline, regardless of how “brilliant” their idea actually is. So if their idea is “what if planes?” Then the bad guy will never suspect they would ever use a vehicle that has been used in wars for over a century, and will be completely blindsided by the brilliance of NATO bombers. Russian air defence is literally a non-factor in their armchair generalling.
Because lobbing shells at eachother is Soviet doctrine, not NATO. NATO doctrine is to bomb the everloving shit out of someone with massive air superiority. If NATO decided to send 200 F35s to Ukraine, there would be no need to more 155mm shells.
First of all, it is hilarious that they think bombing the shit out of someone is something the good guy does. Secondly, they really just don’t comprehend that Russia can just shoot back if that happens.
This was my fav comment in the the thread hands down. Turns out all NATO had to do was to fly 200 F35s in and that would be the end of Russian army 😂
https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/3172388
To say these people lack materialism is quite an understatement, they’re just utterly delusional.
“NATO doctrine is to win”, lmao
NATO doctrine is to attack small countries that don’t possess modern weapons or air defence, so yeah technically that’s a true statement.
Literally
Remember; these people think killing a population until nothing is left is how you win.
Not only do they lack materialism, they are also entirely disconnected from things that actually happen
There was a whole bunch of articles in the US press on why this is an actual problem and how the US was going to address it by giving more money to the military industrial complex
Exactly, these people live in a fantasy world.
“We’re not doing the thing that works, because that’s soviet badthink. We’re not going to adapt any industrial capacity towards doing the thing that works, because that’s not how we do things. We’re not going to change the way we do things because that’s not what makes the most money. We are very intelligent and winning the war against the Russian hordes”.
It’s pretty funny how it’s basically exact same wunderwaffe mentality the nazis had in WW2, nothing changed
Ask them about the production ability of planes and weapons for them. 200 F-35 is little below of 1/4th of entire amount ever produced and probably around half of currently operative ones.
If US actually did that it would be the incredible blunder for them, those losses would left US Air Force crippled for years.
only if the F35 is more dangerous to the enemy than it is to the pilots. which is not clear to me.
losing half their F35s could actually improve the US air force…
I would bet money that US does not have the logistics capability to actually field 200 F35s right now. And I also think that it’s extremely likely that the first time it engages Russian air defences, it’ll go down in flames. There’s a reason US and Israel don’t want to operate them anywhere close to Russian air defences in Syria.
Okay, I’m not a military/weapons expert or even an enthusiast but does Russia not have their own air defence which would include aircrafts like the F35? I’m just trying to understand the thought process here. Does Russian air defence just suck or is that an assumption they’re making? On every other front they’re doing well, but air is their weakness? It just seems kind of unlikely, but again, I don’t really know much about this stuff…
In fact, Russia has some of the best air defence around. The west focused on trying to achieve air superiority through stealth during the Cold War, while USSR instead focused on air defence systems. Today, it’s generally acknowledged that Russia has some of the best air defence systems in the world, and many of these don’t have any western equivalents https://missilethreat.csis.org/system_tax/russian-air-defense/
So if Russia’s air defence is top notch, what makes F35s so special?
Liberal brain flatness. F-35 program cost is absolutely astronomical, but when liberal hear of it, the pavlov reaction kicks in, and the only conclusions he can get from that is “wow, if it cost 10 times more than Russian fighter, it is surely 10 times better” instead of what even he knows on a daily basis, that in his corrupted country there is nothing more corrupted than MIC.
So it’s the good ol’ “expensive means good” philosophy. Cool. Love how that’s just what people are running with nowadays, seems very stable.
Pilot killing efficiency
hype mostly
It’s been carefully designed by extremely talented engineers to ensure parts are sourced from all major players in the MIC.
By all accounts, the RF’s air defense network is really fucking good, because they’ve had like 60 years to adapt to the NATO strategy of sending a million bombers to level a place and counting on the enemy being too poor the intercept them.
Although even then, the Viet Minh sometimes managed to shoot down US planes just with massed rifle fire
Well it’s nice to know that its the exact opposite of what is being stated. You’d think if it was that easy they’d send planes over by now but clearly that wouldn’t bode well for NATO…
I personally think that’s why Ukraine hasn’t been given F35s, because the US knows it would be a pr disaster for it’s highly publicized, peer combat-untested 80 million dollar wunderwaffe to eat an S-3000 missile that ‘only’ cost a million to make.
also, if russian federation could salvage it and study more efficient ways to combat then, so us would be forced to retrofit lots of units
A big part of the lib’s understanding of the world is built upon the idea that they are the “clever hero” who will come up with a brilliant strategy that their enemy will never see coming. This is the baseline, regardless of how “brilliant” their idea actually is. So if their idea is “what if planes?” Then the bad guy will never suspect they would ever use a vehicle that has been used in wars for over a century, and will be completely blindsided by the brilliance of NATO bombers. Russian air defence is literally a non-factor in their armchair generalling.
christ the way these people speak is how a warmonger in civilization vi speaks
turns out that a lot of libs are as cartoonishly evil as they are stupid
First of all, it is hilarious that they think bombing the shit out of someone is something the good guy does. Secondly, they really just don’t comprehend that Russia can just shoot back if that happens.
The whole proxy war was basically premised on the idea that Russian military would immediately crumble when faced with superior western technology.