Well it’d have to be suitably public, but a suicide of a street vendor helped kick off the Arab Spring. Mohamed Bouazizi achieved a lot.
Besides that, if every vote I cast is a vote for genocide, then don’t I deserve to die? Have you listened to the interviews? Have you seen the bodies in the rubble? I’d rather kill myself than support that, and if everything I do supports genocide then I should kill myself. I deserve it.
But you’re not voting for Genocide. Noone is giving you that option. Your vote or lack thereof has no effect on whether the US supports Israel’s Genocide of the PalestiniN people.
If you want to oppose the genocide, join a march. Put up posters
If according to you, the only choices between candidates are one genocider and another genocider, that makes us complicit if we vote for either one. Which we categorically refuse. Trying to cudgel out a vote for your guy will only make me want you genocided.
You literally are voting for genocide. You are telling the US government “yes, more of this please”
You could withhold your vote to put pressure on Biden’s administration. You won’t do that. Biden sees every blue-no-matter-who voter as a guaranteed vote and a reason to not change his policies in any way. They’ve literally said as much! They have said they aren’t worried about elections because Republicans are worse. This is what you’ve created, you voted for it.
Nah this is what voter apathy and “my way or nothing” gets you.
This is what voting for Joe Biden got us! I voted for him to stop fascism and now he’s supporting genocide. We’re complicit.
Do you think you’re blameless? That it’s not your fault? We chose this! It’s our fault that a genocide is happening. We voted for this. Our tax money is blowing up children as we speak. Do you feel no guilt? No shame? No responsibility?
We chose this. We’re cosigners on this genocide. We voted for this. It makes me want to fucking kill myself.
Do you think you’re blameless? That it’s not your fault?
Relatively? Yeah.
We chose this! It’s our fault that a genocide is happening. We voted for this. Our tax money is blowing up children as we speak.
Melodramatic much? Unfortunately the world doesn’t revolve around you or I and we can really only impact the things and people around us. It’s important to recognize the things we can effect and acknowledge that our impact on the greater world may be minimal at times but not to be discouraged.
Do you feel no guilt? No shame? No responsibility?
Relatively? No.
I acknowledge I’m extremely lucky to be born in the “first world” and be fortunate enough to be able to shelter myself and feed myself (for now at least). I actively try to help when I can; that means volunteering, donating (time/money), working a weekend every month or so in your community to try to make it better.
We chose this. We’re cosigners on this genocide. We voted for this.
I didn’t vote for this in the primaries or the general, I didn’t work the phone banks or canvas for it so I’m not sure who “we” is.
It makes me want to fucking kill myself.
Yeah obviously you’re depressed as fuck, I get it. Don’t do that though, it won’t solve anything and will actually make the world a worse place. I’m actually in therapy working on some things myself, you can PM if you ever want to talk about anything.
Myopic settler noise. This kind of monstrosity is EXACTLY why I don’t consider you ally or countryman, and would sell you out the first opportunity I get handed. I hope the genocide comes to your shores next. You (collective, everyone who voted for and cudgels for Biden) are responsible for the misery this nation foists upon the world, and I cannot wait to watch it happen to you.
Why not? You voted for those bombs. You payed for those bombs.
This is our fundamental disconnect. You don’t seem to think you are responsible for your active support of genocide, yet somehow by not voting for genocide I am responsible. It’s pure ideology.
You don’t have the options you want to have. I’m sorry, but you don’t. We have to deal with the world as it is to have any chance to make it as we want it.
So you’re saying in order to participate in the US electoral system you must make yourself responsible for some level of genocide? Contrary to lesser evil voters, you’re not responsible for other peoples votes, but you are responsible for yours. The fact that about 4 gerrymandered states determine the election is not my fault and doesn’t necessitate my participation in condoning any more genocide than I legally have to when I pay taxes.
In the broken systems we both have, all you can do is tactically vote based on the outcomes you want the least. While arguing for better voting systems.
And how does that translate into a two party voting system? One is multiple times worse than other. What can you do so neither ends up president? Nothing. You only choice is to choose the least bad.
Those two presidential cadets are your only choices for president. Please do not kill yourself over it. I can’t see how it would even be noticed by the process, let alone change it. Be just another tragedy for another family.
Then you need to re-examine your beliefs. By arbitrarily confining your scope of legitimate action, you are promoting the conditions for fostering genocide as unavoidable reality when that is clearly not true.
By that logic, the individual becomes without value and killing becomes palatable. Participating in that narrative gets people killed every single day.
The reality is that individuals have been deprived of means to enact change except through means that are 1. illegal, and/or 2. extreme in the sense that they otherwise require sacrificing one’s future. Maybe that’s a commitment that you aren’t willing to make, but by tone policing those who have deeply analyzed the situation, you are working to prevent others from acting effectively against our institutions of violence.
Our society is the privileged beneficiary of the sacrifices that activists make. We can beg them to prioritize their own lives, but it is an act of great disrespect against the most wise and dedicated among us to gaslight and tell them that their analyses are baseless. It is cruel to ask them to not act and to save themselves, when that means living a life integrated with the very systems that they would sacrifice themselves against. These people bare the burden of generations of inaction that led to them being born into our calcified state of affairs.
Empathy toward them comes in the form of joining the activism and organizing so that they do not have to fight this fight alienated and alone, or reminding them that generally the most important activity that we can do is walking the walk and being a role model - but that their shoes would empty tomorrow if they were to leave us. These people need to feel meaning. And they are struggling to fulfill it with their intentionally limited agency. If they conclude that there is no escape from the two-party system, then there is nothing left to keep them bound to this planet another day.
That’s presumably where they’re already at when contemplating such actions. I hope you will be careful playing on this precipice, if you’ve never waged such a large stake yourself.
If you think I’m wrong, I’m open to a non-reductionist discussion about it.
You misunderstand.
If my only choices are to vote for “genocide” and “more genocide”, why shouldn’t I cast a 9mm ballot into the roof of my mouth?
What does that achieve?
Well it’d have to be suitably public, but a suicide of a street vendor helped kick off the Arab Spring. Mohamed Bouazizi achieved a lot.
Besides that, if every vote I cast is a vote for genocide, then don’t I deserve to die? Have you listened to the interviews? Have you seen the bodies in the rubble? I’d rather kill myself than support that, and if everything I do supports genocide then I should kill myself. I deserve it.
But you’re not voting for Genocide. Noone is giving you that option. Your vote or lack thereof has no effect on whether the US supports Israel’s Genocide of the PalestiniN people. If you want to oppose the genocide, join a march. Put up posters
If according to you, the only choices between candidates are one genocider and another genocider, that makes us complicit if we vote for either one. Which we categorically refuse. Trying to cudgel out a vote for your guy will only make me want you genocided.
You literally are voting for genocide. You are telling the US government “yes, more of this please”
You could withhold your vote to put pressure on Biden’s administration. You won’t do that. Biden sees every blue-no-matter-who voter as a guaranteed vote and a reason to not change his policies in any way. They’ve literally said as much! They have said they aren’t worried about elections because Republicans are worse. This is what you’ve created, you voted for it.
Nah this is what voter apathy and “my way or nothing” gets you.
Fascists eagerly ready to vote and do-nothings who just complain online and do absolutely 0 work to get what they want.
Seems like you have a really well thought out solution though. Can’t see any holes in your logic there, don’t let me stop you.
This is what voting for Joe Biden got us! I voted for him to stop fascism and now he’s supporting genocide. We’re complicit.
Do you think you’re blameless? That it’s not your fault? We chose this! It’s our fault that a genocide is happening. We voted for this. Our tax money is blowing up children as we speak. Do you feel no guilt? No shame? No responsibility?
We chose this. We’re cosigners on this genocide. We voted for this. It makes me want to fucking kill myself.
Has he done that?
Relatively? Yeah.
Melodramatic much? Unfortunately the world doesn’t revolve around you or I and we can really only impact the things and people around us. It’s important to recognize the things we can effect and acknowledge that our impact on the greater world may be minimal at times but not to be discouraged.
Relatively? No.
I acknowledge I’m extremely lucky to be born in the “first world” and be fortunate enough to be able to shelter myself and feed myself (for now at least). I actively try to help when I can; that means volunteering, donating (time/money), working a weekend every month or so in your community to try to make it better.
I didn’t vote for this in the primaries or the general, I didn’t work the phone banks or canvas for it so I’m not sure who “we” is.
Yeah obviously you’re depressed as fuck, I get it. Don’t do that though, it won’t solve anything and will actually make the world a worse place. I’m actually in therapy working on some things myself, you can PM if you ever want to talk about anything.
Myopic settler noise. This kind of monstrosity is EXACTLY why I don’t consider you ally or countryman, and would sell you out the first opportunity I get handed. I hope the genocide comes to your shores next. You (collective, everyone who voted for and cudgels for Biden) are responsible for the misery this nation foists upon the world, and I cannot wait to watch it happen to you.
No! He’s doing genocide!
Why not? You voted for those bombs. You payed for those bombs.
This is our fundamental disconnect. You don’t seem to think you are responsible for your active support of genocide, yet somehow by not voting for genocide I am responsible. It’s pure ideology.
No, it is you don’t understand. You have a “Trolley problem”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem
You don’t have the options you want to have. I’m sorry, but you don’t. We have to deal with the world as it is to have any chance to make it as we want it.
So you’re saying in order to participate in the US electoral system you must make yourself responsible for some level of genocide? Contrary to lesser evil voters, you’re not responsible for other peoples votes, but you are responsible for yours. The fact that about 4 gerrymandered states determine the election is not my fault and doesn’t necessitate my participation in condoning any more genocide than I legally have to when I pay taxes.
In the broken systems we both have, all you can do is tactically vote based on the outcomes you want the least. While arguing for better voting systems.
If I throw myself under the trolley wheels I might derail it. Happened in Tunisia.
And how does that translate into a two party voting system? One is multiple times worse than other. What can you do so neither ends up president? Nothing. You only choice is to choose the least bad.
I referenced Tunisia because a man committing suicide literally changed their government.
If the only choice is “genocide lite” and “genocide deluxe” then the system must be destroyed.
If my only choice is to vote for genocide then I want to die.
Those two presidential cadets are your only choices for president. Please do not kill yourself over it. I can’t see how it would even be noticed by the process, let alone change it. Be just another tragedy for another family.
Again, don’t kill yourself or even talk about it.
You’re expending your effort to support a genocidal status quo… and you want us to believe that you care about a single individual’s life?
I’m not supporting it, I’m saying this is the reality. That you have to work with what you have.
I don’t believe in the killing anyone. Including not agreeing with death penalty for anyone.
Then you need to re-examine your beliefs. By arbitrarily confining your scope of legitimate action, you are promoting the conditions for fostering genocide as unavoidable reality when that is clearly not true.
By that logic, the individual becomes without value and killing becomes palatable. Participating in that narrative gets people killed every single day.
The reality is that individuals have been deprived of means to enact change except through means that are 1. illegal, and/or 2. extreme in the sense that they otherwise require sacrificing one’s future. Maybe that’s a commitment that you aren’t willing to make, but by tone policing those who have deeply analyzed the situation, you are working to prevent others from acting effectively against our institutions of violence.
Our society is the privileged beneficiary of the sacrifices that activists make. We can beg them to prioritize their own lives, but it is an act of great disrespect against the most wise and dedicated among us to gaslight and tell them that their analyses are baseless. It is cruel to ask them to not act and to save themselves, when that means living a life integrated with the very systems that they would sacrifice themselves against. These people bare the burden of generations of inaction that led to them being born into our calcified state of affairs.
Empathy toward them comes in the form of joining the activism and organizing so that they do not have to fight this fight alienated and alone, or reminding them that generally the most important activity that we can do is walking the walk and being a role model - but that their shoes would empty tomorrow if they were to leave us. These people need to feel meaning. And they are struggling to fulfill it with their intentionally limited agency. If they conclude that there is no escape from the two-party system, then there is nothing left to keep them bound to this planet another day.
That’s presumably where they’re already at when contemplating such actions. I hope you will be careful playing on this precipice, if you’ve never waged such a large stake yourself.
If you think I’m wrong, I’m open to a non-reductionist discussion about it.
“don’t kill urself, we need ur vote haha” headass