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Or Voyeger or any other opensource Lemmy client.
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I say this as someone who is probably one of the biggest supporters of software-freedom around here, but bullying or shaming people for preferring non-free apps does nothing but incite resentment towards the movement. I value the four freedoms because I think I deserve control of my computing, not because I think it’s my place to dictate what others should value.
The community is one of the worst aspects when working with/on opensource software.
There are so many people with Open Source rabies…
Combine that with all those people who don’t understand the difference between software developed by people who donate their spare time to work on FOSS software and for-profit software developed by big corporations. As a FOSS dev you get so many entitled assholes who think downloading a free app gives them the right to threaten/abuse the devs.
And then there are the fanboys who attack everyone who talks about downsides of their favourite product.
All in all, the hostile community makes FOSS development very not fun.
This is what gets me. I look into software for my company. Someone put up a open source alternative. I expressed my concerns with a small open source project and they acted like i murdered his first born. Well past the point of unprofessional and into the HR realm.
I’m not against open source by any means but there is a place for everything. This just was not the place for this specific product with only a handful of devs and no support. If a system goes down we need to have someone we can call.
In about 10 mins of pooping time i’ve seen so much fanboyism as you’ve described. More than ive ever seen prior.
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I just installed the new sync and I’m given the impression that everyone here is 5’7 and uses gentoo so they have to compensate
I voiced my opinion on one of the sync announcement posts and it was received quite controversially.
We all get stuck in our own camps and become quote tribal and I feel like all around it’s difficult to not take what is being said as some kind of attack.
Yeah. How about just everybody uses what they fucking want and leave each other alone? You know, like it should be in real life. That would be nice.
I think that’s nuts. I use sync and I don’t care what you use. You can also dislike Sync all you want, I will never feel attacked by that.
I don’t think the meme is bullying or shaming people using sync…right? He said he likes infinity better even though sync is awesome because its libre and open source
I don’t get why instead of making posts about “Don’t use Sync!” no one is saying “Feel free to use and pay for whatever you like! But as a friendly reminder please note that you should also consider helping your instance owners or the core Lemmy team as well.”
There’s nothing wrong at all with paying for software, and even some will be fine with ads. It has literally nothing to do with anyone else but that person. Let them do them.
Like I say though, I think the thing that should be being said is that the app is not self contained and that these people should seriously consider helping out the other aspects as well if they can. But hey, no, let’s just belittle them and push them away instead of welcoming them. I can almost guarantee that the availability of Sync will bring more users to Lemmy that never would have been here otherwise.
Sync is a perfectly fine app for me. I tried all other apps and nowhere near to sync. I don’t even have ads on the free version as I am using dns ad blocker. The moment one time payment for removing ads is out(it is coming), I will buy it. Or I will donate to dev in some other way as I am not a fan of subscriptions.
I have the option to remove ads in Sync right now. =)
With subscription
Edit: nevermind, the one time purchase is up now!
And without. The update already provides the option to just Remove ads.
It’s out, but it’s 20$ for just ad removal (up from 5$ a month ago) and 100$ for lifetime (up from 30$). It’s extremely clear that they are pushing towards the subscription
they?
he.
there is 1 dev.
A very deserving dev
I used sync for reddit for so many years and paid $2… I just paid the ad removal price on the new app right away. Even if the app ends up sucking, i want to support the dev for all the previous work
I will definitely consider switching to FOSS option though
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There’s just nothing that comes even close to Sync for me. Happy to support the developer.
I do not have ads either…but no idea why I do not have an ad blocker, they just appear.empty for some reason.
Yeah they are empty on my phone too, and I’ve never used any DNS-adblocking on my home network. I suspect it might be because whatever ad system Sync uses currently just doesn’t have any ads for my country, but I don’t actually know.
It’s the same in the US (for me at least) also, either it’s not working just yet, or it’s just a placeholder for now, you never know with pre-release apps.
I’ve tried different reddit third party apps for months at a time, and I’ve got to say, Sync is probably the best app I have used in terms of designs and fluidity.
Same I haven’t seen a single ad. I’ll probably pay to removed them anyways but I want to evaluate the competition first
What adblocker are you using?
I am using a private dns ad blocker. android phones have the option to change the dns server, I changed it to dns.adguard.com
Best option on Android: Netguard, the F-Droid-version. The Google Play Store version has no adblocking capability.
I used Sync for almost the full 11 years on Reddit and will gladly support the dev on Lemmy.
Same. Sync was the only way I accessed Reddit since 2012.
You understand the feeling I have today using it. Feels so good.
I just leave you with my favorite quote of Ljdawson, made during the reddit api war:
“I don’t know. I don’t track shit.”
He has crashlytics. That’s about it.
Tbh, I don’t care for open or closed source, I don’t even care for free or payed. (19 bucks per year… That’s like what, a coffee and a donut at a Starbuck?)
Stuff must just work and to be honest… All available clients all work sort of.
This one does this good but sucks at multi instances. That one screws up gifs from that and this site. Made an error typing your user name!/password during setup? Tough shit. You can’t edit it so redo from start, remove it and type well this time.
Sync just seems to work.
That’s not to shit on anyone hard work: I can’t do it, I can’t make them, I’m glad these clients exist. I don’t expect free tools to be perfect.
But I’m also superglad Sync for lemmy is a thing. And I will pay for it when it’s out of beta.
Sync not only works. It’s the smoothest App I have on my phone. The animations and transitions are just beautiful, well timed and do not stutter even a tiny bit. I wish all android apps were like Sync. I’ll gladly pay whatever he charges.
Sync just seems to work.
And that is why I’ve used it for all these years. There are no weird quirks, it just does exactly what I need it to do.
There are no weird quirks
There are definitely weird quirks, I’ve only had it installed for 10 minutes and have already found this one when comments are sorted by top.
https://i.imgur.com/dqMJS2a.png
It appears if a reply is voted higher than it’s parent comment then it will appear above it instead of under it. Quite annoying. Hopefully it gets worked out soon.
Sync has by far the highest customization which I love, and will happily pay the $20 for the ad-free version when the kinks are worked out. Although, Jerboa is a close second, and if they put in a default comment sorting option, I might just stick with it as it’s FOSS.
I’m not sure what I’m looking at in your screenshot. Everything looks fine and normal to me.
I am also willing to give the app the benefit of the doubt because it is still in beta and has been available for less than 24 hours so far.
This one might be easier to see for you.
How it looks in Sync, it’s fucked up.
https://files.catbox.moe/a0puro.png
How it looks in Jerboa, it is correct.
I noticed that, this happens when I set comment sort to Top. Works fine when set to Hot. Still in beta, they’ll hopefully fix it.
Thanks, that makes it a little more clear. Seems like that might be something more than comments out of order, though. At least as far as I could tell the hierarchy of post times appears correct, it’s just not showing everything.
It’s putting child comments that have higher upvotes above the parent comments. So it seems to be sorting strictly by upvote without taking into account hierarchy. A child comment shouldn’t appear above the parent comment like it is doing.
I think they meant the old Sync. This one is in beta and bugs are still expected.
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This was fixed in the latest update.
Yeah I assumed the ad tracking was mostly Google’s own doing, or whatever ad provider that hes using for injected ads.
Sync just seems to work.
Didn’t I read the current version does not allow you to post? I feel its pretty weird to release an app in that state and still keep ads in it.
But if you are happy paying and using that, more power to you! Meanwhile I save that money and use one of the many open source clients that actually work.
I’m posting from it right now. The ads don’t seem to work through. I’m not blocking any but I’ve not seen one yet.
That sounds better then, thanks for clearing that up.
Sync is fantastic, and I’ve used it for years. But I’ll be sticking with Thunder. Its UI is close, and I’m able to contribute the things I want to change.
You do you, but for me personally, the only honest software in existence is software willing to disclose it’s source code.
Yeah, this shit is getting old really quickly.
What client I use doesn’t affect your experience. I and lots of others are reddit refugees and I used sync for years. I’m ecstatic to have the interface back.
Bullshit gatekeeping and bickering over ideological purity doesn’t help anyone. At the end of the day, lemmy is confusing for someone accustomed to reddit. There is a learning curve. Most of us just want to exchange info and converse. I don’t give a fuck to learn about FOSS and all that other bullshit any more than any of you want to learn the specialized minutiae I have to sift through at my day job.
Shut the fuck up already. This sort of discourse lands like a bunch of shitty kids meeting at a half empty bar all criticizing how one another got there
Agreed. Nobody gave a fuck the app used on Reddit, and there’s no reason to care now. You do you
Except for Reddit themselves… They certainly seemed to care…
🤣🤣🤣 damn true
Hahaha, thanks for all bringing it back and reminding us why we’re all here
You are commenting on a meme that says the same thing you just did in a slightly different and more concise way, though. All I see in the comments is people saying why they prefer one app over another. I don’t really see anybody bashing people for picking a a specific app.
I think you are overreacting a bit.
If you do see people being bullied for picking one app over another, then I apologize. I just mostly see people criticizing Sync for not being FOSS, or see people criticizing the FOSS stuff for not being user friendly. I don’t really see a problem with people criticizing software, as long as it isn’t an attack on the users of said software.
I do agree that there are too many damn posts about this, but I don’t really care about it that much. Maybe others do.
I mean. If we’re going to ride that analogy it sounds like sync is an automatic transmission while FOSS is manual.
I just want to get where I want to go. Who cares how it happens? It’s not like sync is imessage and fucks things up for other users
My past was a reaction to a LOT of vitriolic anti-sync posts and comments. They’re all over and they’re baffling
It’s just a FOSS argument vs a closed source argument. It happens with everything. Look at Linux and Windows. Android and Apple. I agree that it can be annoying, and I don’t partake myself, but it’s not really that big of a deal as long as nobody is being personally attacked. This kind of discussion won’t really be detrimental to this platform.
Manual versus automatic is a pretty good way to put it. I like your analogy. It’s just a dumb argument for about how people want their personal things to work.
I can completely understand the annoyance with how many posts have been made about it. I am a developer who has contributed to FOSS projects, so I hear arguments like this all of the time amongst peers. I could personally care less just like you. I use little bits of both depending on my use case.
I do see a lot of people caring a lot about whether you are using sync or not.
nailed it
Infinity was a reddit app first, too.
Sync is fucking fantastic, just how I remember. I don’t mind at all paying for a great app by a talented dev.
The pro version is supposed to be out later, and will just be a one-time payment unlike ultra’s subscription
The lifetime purchase to remove ads is up. It’s a bit pricey but I can understand why, Lemmy has a smaller userbase. Totally worth it.
I wonder if it was because of the backlash from being subscription only? I was surprised by how many angry posts there were. I gotta admit even I was disappointed. I don’t mind paying for a pro version. But a subscriptions a bit of an ask, as I don’t need the features offered by it, but I do like sync and Lawrence is a good guy.
No ads for 20 bucks isn’t bad as an alternative if you don’t need the features
Yeah, he didnt have that option when I first installed it. Went ahead and grabbed that.
Are you talking about sync ultra or is there another ad free purchase? Ultra life time costs 120 usd, which is too much for me
There’s the remove ads option, which is not a subscription to anything. It’s $20.
Yeah if you just click ‘remove ads’ on the sidebar it’s $20 for lifetime I believe
They are talking about the remove ads option. It’s a one time purchase just to remove ads with none of the additional features of the subscription. As I understand it.
Same here. The latest update has the “remove ads” option added for a one time 12.99 fee.
15€ here.
Wtf why does mine say €21.99???
$34 dollarydoos here 🦘
Are you sure that’s not the lifetime for ultra? There’s a new one time “remove ads” option.
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Yes I’m sure. Ultra is only available annually or monthly. Annually it’s $28 here
Edit: I stand corrected. Just got the new update with ultra lifetime as an option. That’s $170 though.
Wow. I hope that’s some sort of mistake.
It’s $99 USD, think you all are seeing a bug.
Edit: I misunderstood which option was being discussed.
About 20 EUR for me.
There are just as good apps that do not track for shit.
Plus not accounting for a previous purchase is a final nail in the coffin for me. Most likely impossible to implement, but still stings.
Same here in France 21.99€
€22.99 here 🙃
It feels so random.
20 bucks here
It’s available as an IAP for $19.99 now
Same, I’m paying for the ultra subscription. But I understand if someone is using another app, Connect is pretty good. I’m just an old dog
5-6 different open source and ad free options, with no trackers whatsoever, and some of y’all are fawning over…you know what? To each their own. At least y’all are here and not on reddit 😁
Edit: I was wrong, there’s around 20 options (including Sync) for Lemmy apps that are either already out or in development. Enjoy the buffet.
what’s the point of judging? Sync is the only app so far that has full, thoughtful support for foldable phones and the dev genuinely has been putting in a lot of work into it. I bought the No Ads IAP and I’m perfectly happy with it, but there are so many good options now for those that want something completely free.
Because the open source community has been full of a bunch of people who built whole personalities on shitting on anything not FOSS. And even though they now have an opportunity to bring a lot more people into the community than before they’d rather play these stupid arrogant superiority games instead of just letting people enjoy things how they want to enjoy them.
Right? No need for the smugposting
Smugposting would be me calling sync people “Lemmy J. Fry”
Cause FOSS people are worse than vegans. It’s like Linux users but infinitely worse.
FOSS ≠ better or good. Most of the FOSS Lemmy apps are usability nightmares right now. The only reason I was using jerboa for so long is because sync wasn’t out yet
FOSS apps often suffer from mediocre UX/UI since the expected audience are power users, but it alienates users that aren’t. They’re functional for those who need it, yes, but is the GUI high quality? More often than not, they aren’t.
I’m not saying FOSS can’t have bad UI, like Blender for example, but those are the exception, not the rule.
For me, Connect and Thunder are getting there, but they don’t have the same level of quality and finesse as Sync. Though to be fair, Sync has a decade of work put into it.
Bro you’re smugposting rn
I’m really just disappointed nobody found “Lemmy J Fry” funny. That had me cracking up before I went to sleep last night. Either way, I feel less… passionate about the subject after a good night’s sleep. Spend money, don’t spend money, doesn’t matter either way as long as you’re here. Now, the moment I hear about awards or ads on Lemmy instances, imma be back on my bullshit, and I hope some of you will join in 🙂
Hahaha with you 100% there
Pretty sure I said “to each their own”.
Saying something at the end of your rant doesn’t preclude anyone from responding to you.
It’s a rant now? You’re putting tens on twos. Gotta relax bud.
Your post? Your comment?
Congrats on being insufferable, bud.
Thanks, it took a lot of hard work and dedication. I’ll do us both a favor and block you, so that we can get on with our lives. This Convo has obviously gone on too long.
Please, stop, don’t.
do you really have a hard time understanding how different people have different preferences and how familiarity works or do you just like being smug?
as for “trackers” and ads you will find that unless they are intrusive about 99% of the population doesn’t give a fuck, even on a fairly niche site like lemmy the majority won’t give a fuck.
I absolutely judge people who don’t care about online privacy
The only people who don’t care are entirely tech illiterate and make no effort to understand why its an issue.
And you’re absolutely right. I’m here to stand with you on that.
- I’m just used to it, and no other client accommodates my workflow (liftoff is very close but has some annoying issues, quirks and differences),
- It’s quality software with great design and a lot of customization options.
I totally get the familiarity aspect, I think I just enjoy tinkering around and the feeling of learning how something new works. Either way, glad to have y’all here and not there 🙂
Teenagers are the worst
Agreed.
I love FOSS but I got pretty used to the official reddit app, and Sync is the only app that feels like if the reddit app wasn’t buggy and laggy. The paid aspect doesn’t bother me because I would have donated to whatever app I use anyway, at $5/mo the $20 one time ad removal option makes sense if I use it for more than 4 months so it’s worth it to me.
Fun fact, me and Clarkson are both from Donny:
I used sync for reddit for years, I had no ads in the free version and the pro version. I’ve tried a half dozen apps for Lemmy since my Reddexit. Sync for Lemmy is far and away the best. I really missed its design. I was happy to toss $20 to you for no ads on Sync for Lemmy. Thanks for all the hard work.
I drove through it once, looked rough as shit.
Good job you didn’t stop
Nice, I have family in Nottinghamshire.
Also, is your .ml or .world your main instance? The .world seems to have the biggest audience
.world is
I don’t understand the bitching about it, we users were asking for this, it is the good thing about Lemmy/Fediverse, you have tons of options, and probably will have more, heck even the PWA are awesome, no need to download anything at all.
You have to accept to being tracked by Google, having an advertising id, all the data Firebase collects. Their ToS is large.
Users were asking for it, that’s true. I guess users don’t really care about being tracked, allowing google into their phone and indirectly supporting them controlling the web, thus enabling them to do things like manifest v3 or the web integrity API.
Ads? understandable, the dev has bills to pay. Not open source? Purists may hate it, but not the end of the world. Tracking? Google? No thanks, the beautiful design is not worth it.
Many of us were sync users who came over because of the api changes. Don’t care about tracking.
One time payment is there. Someone confirmed that there is no connection to Google after paying the one time payment.
I will admit I never knew any of this
People like to bitch
Remind me of that meme where the person is complaining about the thing, gets the thing and then has the frowny face.
Y’all gotta stop shitting on non-FOSS Lemmy apps.
Lemmy is Lemmy, let people access the platform how they want to. It doesn’t affect you. Don’t use Sync if you don’t want to.
Why can’t I just use the service that has a design I like?
I wouldn’t have used reddit if it wasn’t for sync and that same logic applies to lemmy. Adoption is critical for lemmy to succeed so please tone it down a bit, unless having the same 2 dozen people in your community was your personal appealing feature of lemmy.
Yep. Incentives align differently for different people, which is what makes a healthy market work.
You can
Don’t worry, this type of “drama” is only serving to make the community larger in the long run.
I have always preferred Infinity when I was using Reddit. But right now Infinity for Lemmy seems to be not in a usable state. I have been using Thunder For Lemmy as of recently, not sure if I will switch from it to Infinity for Lemmy once its in a more usable state.
Edit: I can’t even use Sync for Lemmy as on the Play Store it says its unavailable on my device. I have a Samsung Galaxy s23 Ultra. One would think that it would be available considering its pretty much this years flagship of the largest Android brand.
Edit 2: It seems to not be because of the device itself @IncogCyberspaceUser@lemmy.world seems to have been able to download it on their s23 Ultra.
Edit 3: It was because of Age Verification. I can now download it fine.
It is very much in alpha stage now,but usable for me.
I also face the same issue with play store, I ended up using Aurora store(fdroid) to download the app.
I started using Infinity today and it seems to be working great for everything that I need it for.
The website I saw said it didn’t support creating posts. Maybe It was wrong?
I just tried and couldn’t create a post. Guess it’s not quite feature complete yet
Strange, I have a Galaxy S23 Ultra and I had no issues installing it.
Hmm. Then I am not sure. @A10@kerala.party seems to also be facing the same problems as me. I don’t think its a locality issue as I am in the US, unless for whatever reason that is the issue.
I just checked again. Play store link is working for me now
I checked again and its still not letting me.
Try switching google accounts in playstore
I switched to a different one, and now it has the install button. Not sure why it won’t let me install from my main one.
I guess it has something to do with age verification
was using Thunder the past couple of weeks, because I couldn"t get warm with Jerboa, but once I saw Infinity comming out, I immediately downloaded it and haven’t had problems since
Lemmy is fun is what I want
Give me Relay for Lemmy lol.
I’m a big Boost guy myself. Pretty excited for when it is done!
Upvoted on infinity
I just installed Sync after browsing with Jerboa for the past month. Sync has such a clean, smooth look that if it functions even remotely consistently it’ll be my new replacement.
