Edit: I’m an a supporter of all trans rights and freedoms. Trans people do not have the freedom to kill people. Let me say that again more broadly: NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL ANYONE.
if you’re having homicidal thoughts, know that’s pretty bad and maybe let your therapist know. Let’s stay on the path of reality and peace.
You have the right to kill in self defense. Many countries consider self defense from a credible threat to be just cause to kill someone.
Even those countries that don’t permit their citizens to use lethal force in self defense are hypocrites, because they will have an army and some branch of armed law enforcement.
Trans people are much more likely to be murdered than cis people. Being armed to mitigate that risk is a not an unreasonable decision. In the US, if a transphobe poses an imminent threat to your life you DO have a legal right to kill them, in most states, laws do vary.
That’s stating the obvious. Further, laws are not Rights nor moral guides. Killing is wrong. Attacking trans people is wrong. The folks in this thread are wrong for lusting to kill. I recommend watching some videos of actual killings and murders and see if you really want to be involved with that.
The only person lusting after anything is you, lusting after trans people remaining passive targets, and transphobes in power who are actively and openly lusting to eliminate trans people from existence.
What everyone here is doing is showing appreciation to a supportive father who understands that their child, being trans, will almost certainly need to defend themselves from that.
I recommend reading the tolerance paradox, and then maybe some history, which will teach you (if you pay any attention at all) that no oppressed people has EVER gained their freedom “peacefully”, and that you demanding it is not only the epitome of privilege, but an active support of those looking to do the eliminating.
I assure you, I’ve read through that literature for a long time. I’m concluding that I’m dealing with a bunch of angry teenagers here. I am in no way shape or form desiring that trans people remain passive targets. if you’re being attacked obviously defend yourself. again this has nothing to do with what I’m saying. Sitting around and seething in anger wishing you had an opportunity to kill and imagining all the scenarios in which you’re going to kill somebody it’s not the same as standing up for yourself or defending yourself. This is becoming a stupid waste of my time and I am sure the FBI will keep records on all of you should you actually decide to pick up a gun and do anything about your feelings.
again this has nothing to do with what I’m saying. Sitting around and seething in anger wishing you had an opportunity to kill and imagining all the scenarios in which you’re going to kill somebody it’s not the same as standing up for yourself or defending yourself.
I haven’t seen that in this thread at all. All I’ve seen is people commenting on being prepared. No one should want to kill anyone, but sometimes people have the right to (which you agree with now but started saying they don’t) to defend themselves.
Righteousness is in the eye of the beholder. If in the act of defending yourself, you kill somebody, is that objectively a good righteous thing? Is that not a bloody stain on the world? Will there not be blood on your hands? Would you be happy about the fact that you killed somebody for the rest of your life? Will you always feel that it was righteous to do so? And do you think anyone in a similar situation should feel perfectly justified and freely killing anybody who they feel threatens them in self-defense to just kill and that this is the right thing to do? I don’t think so, so no I don’t believe you have a right to kill somebody every death is a tragedy, the story may just be longer than the particular interaction that led to that killing. Are there deaths that are necessary for the survival of the “good guys”? Maybe, doesn’t make it right to me. It just sucks all around.
You posted “lol kill people” and started complaining about trans people doing homicide about a post that is clearly about self defence. That seems to be exactly what you’re saying or you need to work on your reading comprehension.
I must be blind because I don’t see the word “trans” in any your quotations. Those certainly are things I wrote however. I also don’t see where I was complaining about " trans people doing homicide"
So then why post it under a thread about trans people doing self defense? Like if someone says “trans people has the right to defend themselves” and you say “NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL ANYONE” and “if you’re having homicidal thoughts…” that is what you’re implying. You’re doing the classic far right troll thing where someone makes a pretty basic statement and you respond with something obtuse implying the person said something they didn’t, and then when called out just keep backtracking and pretending that’s not what you meant.
First of all I appreciate the quality of your statements and I should thank you for being a real person and engaging with me in this way, thank you.
The original posting was most likely a fake story from 4chan about a southern cowboy father giving his trans child a gun so as to defend themselves against any sort of bigoted violent attack. We’re all supposed to feel good about this loving caring father figure, and presumably lament the fact that our own parents weren’t as supportive of our own eccentricities growing up.
Simultaneously we are expected to implicitly accept that guns are solution to anything, that possession of a gun will prevent violent bigoted attacks by being a form of “self defense,” and that this father raised their child in an environment where there would be susceptible to such attacks and that’s fine and not to be questioned.
Guns are machines designed to kill people. If self defense was really the goal why didn’t the father gift their child a bullet proof vest or a shield or pepper spray or a taser or any other of the myriad options that exist in the real world to defend yourself from attackers?
In my mind the reason the posting has a gun as the gift and that the responders in this thread love the posting so much is because guns are for killing and this satisfies the very fantasy and desire that any angry repressed person has which is to kill their oppressors. It’s a simple fantasy where there’s the hero with the gun and quickly they just shoot and kill the person or people that’s causing them all their problems.
This is not a good psychological situation. I grew up physically and emotionally abused to the extent where I fantasized killing my parents and others often. I have anger and other emotional issues to this day. I know very well how this feels. Being much older and much calmer now I know how bad it was to be this way; I was a victim. So forgive me for coming off like a far right troll I promise you I’m not. I’m a solidly left leaning atheist with a PhD and I work in a research lab. I don’t want people to fantasize about murder it doesn’t lead to anything good it doesn’t solve any problems and this post has an implicit murder fantasy that’s why I’m spending all this time to argue with people that it’s not good and to find other ways to deal with these feelings.
“LOL KILL PEOPLE”
Edit: I’m an a supporter of all trans rights and freedoms. Trans people do not have the freedom to kill people. Let me say that again more broadly: NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL ANYONE.
if you’re having homicidal thoughts, know that’s pretty bad and maybe let your therapist know. Let’s stay on the path of reality and peace.
You have the right to kill in self defense. Many countries consider self defense from a credible threat to be just cause to kill someone.
Even those countries that don’t permit their citizens to use lethal force in self defense are hypocrites, because they will have an army and some branch of armed law enforcement.
Trans people are much more likely to be murdered than cis people. Being armed to mitigate that risk is a not an unreasonable decision. In the US, if a transphobe poses an imminent threat to your life you DO have a legal right to kill them, in most states, laws do vary.
That’s stating the obvious. Further, laws are not Rights nor moral guides. Killing is wrong. Attacking trans people is wrong. The folks in this thread are wrong for lusting to kill. I recommend watching some videos of actual killings and murders and see if you really want to be involved with that.
The only person lusting after anything is you, lusting after trans people remaining passive targets, and transphobes in power who are actively and openly lusting to eliminate trans people from existence.
What everyone here is doing is showing appreciation to a supportive father who understands that their child, being trans, will almost certainly need to defend themselves from that.
I recommend reading the tolerance paradox, and then maybe some history, which will teach you (if you pay any attention at all) that no oppressed people has EVER gained their freedom “peacefully”, and that you demanding it is not only the epitome of privilege, but an active support of those looking to do the eliminating.
I assure you, I’ve read through that literature for a long time. I’m concluding that I’m dealing with a bunch of angry teenagers here. I am in no way shape or form desiring that trans people remain passive targets. if you’re being attacked obviously defend yourself. again this has nothing to do with what I’m saying. Sitting around and seething in anger wishing you had an opportunity to kill and imagining all the scenarios in which you’re going to kill somebody it’s not the same as standing up for yourself or defending yourself. This is becoming a stupid waste of my time and I am sure the FBI will keep records on all of you should you actually decide to pick up a gun and do anything about your feelings.
I haven’t seen that in this thread at all. All I’ve seen is people commenting on being prepared. No one should want to kill anyone, but sometimes people have the right to (which you agree with now but started saying they don’t) to defend themselves.
CITATION NEEDED
From your top comment of this thread:
People do sometimes have the right to kill someone.
Righteousness is in the eye of the beholder. If in the act of defending yourself, you kill somebody, is that objectively a good righteous thing? Is that not a bloody stain on the world? Will there not be blood on your hands? Would you be happy about the fact that you killed somebody for the rest of your life? Will you always feel that it was righteous to do so? And do you think anyone in a similar situation should feel perfectly justified and freely killing anybody who they feel threatens them in self-defense to just kill and that this is the right thing to do? I don’t think so, so no I don’t believe you have a right to kill somebody every death is a tragedy, the story may just be longer than the particular interaction that led to that killing. Are there deaths that are necessary for the survival of the “good guys”? Maybe, doesn’t make it right to me. It just sucks all around.
fwiw I think you’re being completely reasonable
If you’re in a situation where you can justifiably kill in selfself defense, choosing inaction will not prevent your involvement with that.
No one is encouraging trans people to kill innocent people for no reason.
They’re also much more likely to commit suicide.
If it does mitigate that risk. It also increases the risk of suicide, though, which is already much higher than average for trans people.
If they are coming after them for something stupid like that?
So I started blasting
I don’t want to kill, but if it comes down to them or me, I always pick me.
And a face full of 00 buckshot is a pretty good tool to get the job done 🤷♂️
Self defense is a human right.
And you can’t defend yourself without a gun?
everyone can determine their own need for self defence
If the guy attacking you has a gun, no
Nothing to do with anything I said. Learn to read.
You posted “lol kill people” and started complaining about trans people doing homicide about a post that is clearly about self defence. That seems to be exactly what you’re saying or you need to work on your reading comprehension.
CITATION NEEDED
I’m going to assume you’re not trolling but at this point I think it’s a lost cause tbh
“NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL ANYONE”
“if you’re having homicidal thoughts”
etcetc
I must be blind because I don’t see the word “trans” in any your quotations. Those certainly are things I wrote however. I also don’t see where I was complaining about " trans people doing homicide"
So then why post it under a thread about trans people doing self defense? Like if someone says “trans people has the right to defend themselves” and you say “NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL ANYONE” and “if you’re having homicidal thoughts…” that is what you’re implying. You’re doing the classic far right troll thing where someone makes a pretty basic statement and you respond with something obtuse implying the person said something they didn’t, and then when called out just keep backtracking and pretending that’s not what you meant.
First of all I appreciate the quality of your statements and I should thank you for being a real person and engaging with me in this way, thank you.
The original posting was most likely a fake story from 4chan about a southern cowboy father giving his trans child a gun so as to defend themselves against any sort of bigoted violent attack. We’re all supposed to feel good about this loving caring father figure, and presumably lament the fact that our own parents weren’t as supportive of our own eccentricities growing up.
Simultaneously we are expected to implicitly accept that guns are solution to anything, that possession of a gun will prevent violent bigoted attacks by being a form of “self defense,” and that this father raised their child in an environment where there would be susceptible to such attacks and that’s fine and not to be questioned.
Guns are machines designed to kill people. If self defense was really the goal why didn’t the father gift their child a bullet proof vest or a shield or pepper spray or a taser or any other of the myriad options that exist in the real world to defend yourself from attackers?
In my mind the reason the posting has a gun as the gift and that the responders in this thread love the posting so much is because guns are for killing and this satisfies the very fantasy and desire that any angry repressed person has which is to kill their oppressors. It’s a simple fantasy where there’s the hero with the gun and quickly they just shoot and kill the person or people that’s causing them all their problems.
This is not a good psychological situation. I grew up physically and emotionally abused to the extent where I fantasized killing my parents and others often. I have anger and other emotional issues to this day. I know very well how this feels. Being much older and much calmer now I know how bad it was to be this way; I was a victim. So forgive me for coming off like a far right troll I promise you I’m not. I’m a solidly left leaning atheist with a PhD and I work in a research lab. I don’t want people to fantasize about murder it doesn’t lead to anything good it doesn’t solve any problems and this post has an implicit murder fantasy that’s why I’m spending all this time to argue with people that it’s not good and to find other ways to deal with these feelings.
Yes, because there’s far too many shitheads that would Matthew Shepard OOP.
Also suicidal thoughts. If you want to defend yourself, there are lots of much safer methods than getting a gun.
revolutions involve homicide. get real
Ain’t no revolution tho is there, get real
No one has the right to kill people. But trnasphobes are just people-adjacent.