hah, yes, k/d ratio is how you measure success, right.
As you correctly point out, this is not the only thing that matters. Other issues contributed to USSR failing to conquer Finland as they set out to do. As they indeed did to every other country they had been given the permission to conquer from Hitler.
you’re a child.
I wonder how serious Rule 2 is to lemmy.ml admins, when people keep breaking it everywhere without any consequences. Is this a sort of sandbox that I have entered into, and that’s why so many people are throwing tantrums here?
oh, did the USSR set out to conquer finland then? must be why they started with demanding territorial concessions, and after beating the shit out of finland, ended up taking somewhat more territory.
when was this wholesale conquest on the table?
your shit people on the other hand joined the nazis, who were out to conquer all of russia and kill all its inhabitants. it’s all projection with you fucks.
“The 7th Army, comprising nine divisions, a tank corps and three tank brigades, was located on the Karelian Isthmus. Its objective was to quickly overrun the Finnish defenses on the Karelian Isthmus and conquer Viipuri. From there, the 7th Army was to continue towards Lappeenranta, then turn west towards Lahti, before the final push to the capital Helsinki. The force was later divided into the 7th and 13th Armies.”
That 7th Army was the one that received extremely heavy casualties in their attempts of a breakthrough.
Also, the land concessions before starting this war demanded removal of defensive lines and a military base near Helsinki. This was just diplomacy as a means to make the war easier.
“They tried to take the capital” does not translate to “they wanted to annex the whole country.” Taking the enemy’s capital is a smart move in war because it severely diminishes their ability to fight and thus makes it easier to extract the concessions you want.
Not sure. The wikipedia article claims “Most sources conclude that the Soviet Union had intended to conquer all of Finland, and cite the establishment of the puppet Finnish Communist government and the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact’s secret protocols as evidence of this, while other sources argue against the idea of a full Soviet conquest.” – so I guess it’s not entirely non-controversial.
USSR did annex all the other countries listed in Molotov-Ribbentrop though: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, eastern parts of Poland and Romania.
Well, I’m so sorry, but this discussion is just not important enough for me that I feel the need to do actual research. I’m sure you can follow up the sources in the wiki if you want to find out more yourself.
Guilty as charged, but in my defense I’ve been killing time while waiting for CI runs to complete… I probably could have and should have killed a little less time today.
As you correctly point out, this is not the only thing that matters. Other issues contributed to USSR failing to conquer Finland as they set out to do. As they indeed did to every other country they had been given the permission to conquer from Hitler.
I wonder how serious Rule 2 is to lemmy.ml admins, when people keep breaking it everywhere without any consequences. Is this a sort of sandbox that I have entered into, and that’s why so many people are throwing tantrums here?
oh, did the USSR set out to conquer finland then? must be why they started with demanding territorial concessions, and after beating the shit out of finland, ended up taking somewhat more territory.
when was this wholesale conquest on the table?
your shit people on the other hand joined the nazis, who were out to conquer all of russia and kill all its inhabitants. it’s all projection with you fucks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War#Soviet_order_of_battle
“The 7th Army, comprising nine divisions, a tank corps and three tank brigades, was located on the Karelian Isthmus. Its objective was to quickly overrun the Finnish defenses on the Karelian Isthmus and conquer Viipuri. From there, the 7th Army was to continue towards Lappeenranta, then turn west towards Lahti, before the final push to the capital Helsinki. The force was later divided into the 7th and 13th Armies.”
That 7th Army was the one that received extremely heavy casualties in their attempts of a breakthrough.
Also, the land concessions before starting this war demanded removal of defensive lines and a military base near Helsinki. This was just diplomacy as a means to make the war easier.
“They tried to take the capital” does not translate to “they wanted to annex the whole country.” Taking the enemy’s capital is a smart move in war because it severely diminishes their ability to fight and thus makes it easier to extract the concessions you want.
Read Clausewitz.
yes, they did attack finland. but where did they state that they wanted to annex all of it?
Not sure. The wikipedia article claims “Most sources conclude that the Soviet Union had intended to conquer all of Finland, and cite the establishment of the puppet Finnish Communist government and the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact’s secret protocols as evidence of this, while other sources argue against the idea of a full Soviet conquest.” – so I guess it’s not entirely non-controversial.
USSR did annex all the other countries listed in Molotov-Ribbentrop though: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, eastern parts of Poland and Romania.
yeah, so they definitely didnt do it to finland not because they didnt want to in the first place, but because plucky finns something something. cool.
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Well, I’m so sorry, but this discussion is just not important enough for me that I feel the need to do actual research. I’m sure you can follow up the sources in the wiki if you want to find out more yourself.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War#cite_note-KR2007_13-137
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War#cite_note-138
Lmao you’ve been commenting in this thread nonstop for a full day now
Guilty as charged, but in my defense I’ve been killing time while waiting for CI runs to complete… I probably could have and should have killed a little less time today.