I mean this is all basically just more media clickbait on the theme of “how is this bad for Biden”.
“Biden called old while being exonerated of classified document prosecution! How is this bad for him?”
It’s hilarious that liberals have convinced themselves that the media is being harsh on Biden and not that they have been carrying water to hide the fact he’s on the verge of death and actively gleefully spitting in the faces of the people who elected him last time.
They literally post articles that boil down to “don’t believe your lying eyes, Biden is doing great” and liberals still complain they aren’t doing enough heavy lifting for him.
Like, why is it literally everybody’s job to get Biden elected except for fucking Biden?
There are few people I trust less as a leader than the decaying husk of Jim Crow.
Kamala Harris is one of them. Cognitively I’m more concerned about her. I would be less likely to vote than I am now and my current plan is to vote for my dog.
What do you mean by cognitively - does she have any cognitive decline like the two front runners?
Oh Fucking lord are you kidding me?
This is from the establishment that refused to offer us a real primary.
Who did “the establishment” block from running? You want to go make Bernie run somehow or something? Get the conspiracy theory nonsense out of here. People choose whether or not they will run.
Logic isn’t welcome here on Lemmy, up votes are only for those who refuse to acknowledge reality. 🤷♂️
5 states Democratic parties (10 percent of the country) preemptively removed everyone but Biden off of the ballot of the primary, against the parties own rules.
It isn’t a conspiracy theory, It’s a statement of fact.
Sure, yet in the New Hampshire primary, Biden wasn’t even ON THE BALLOT and he won through popular support and a write-in campaign. If he is so unpopular, how did he pull that one off?
Good job moving the goal posts. Or, did you think we wouldn’t notice?
I didn’t say he’s unpopular, though he is. In fact, he’s the most unpopular president at this point in his presidency in US history, since polling has been a thing. The reason Democratic voters “Like” him is because he isn’t Trump. They don’t actually like him for himself.
Trump, on the other hand, the people that want to vote for him REALLY want to vote for him.
Frankly, I think Biden is the only person the Democratic party could field that would lose to Trump. Conversely, I think anyone on the Republican side but Trump would beat Biden.
But, all of this is besides the point. You weren’t arguing that Biden was popular. You were arguing, and I quote:
Who did “the establishment” block from running? You want to go make Bernie run somehow or something? Get the conspiracy theory nonsense out of here. People choose whether or not they will run.
And it is kind of hard to run if you aren’t even on the fucking ballot. You also implied that people who recognize the public fact that 5 states have removed everyone but Biden from the primary ballot are conspiracy theorists when in fact, they’re just not ignorant of current events like you seem to be.
I’m not entirely sure how to respond to this, seeing as your quote is of a comment made by Candelestine, so I’m not 100% sure this was intended as a response to me in the first place. Nevertheless, I do have some thoughts to share.
Main thought - I agree with you. We’re clearly on the same side, arguing about nuance. Biden is super unpopular. I’m not entirely sure he’s unpopular for the right reasons, but that doesn’t change the fact that he doesn’t poll well.
I also agree that the main reason he’s even in the race is because he’s the only one who has ever beaten Trump. I, like many others, am terrified of a future where Trump wins and ushers in a fascist dictatorship. Thus, the party wants to back a proven winner. We’re going for the least bad option here in a choice between ol Joe and a Christo-fascist state.
If there was another Democrat out there with similar name recognition who had raised their hand, we might be having a different conversation, but conventional wisdom dictates that something really catastrophic would have needed to happen under Biden to change the math on the incumbent advantage. On reflection, while Biden still isn’t my favorite, his administration has done a lot of things right. I’ve lived through both options and there’s no contest, for me, between 4 more years of Joe or 4 more years of Trump.
Regarding winning a primary without being on the ballot or campaigning - the results in NH speak for themselves. If there was an alternative who stood a chance there wouldn’t be any discussion about being on the ballot in any state. Since we already know the Dems are going all-in on Joe, the goal now is to keep the message as clear as possible and minimize muddying the waters with spoiler candidates. It wouldn’t be an issue if every state used ranked choice voting, but we need every vote and first past the post makes spoilers extremely costly.
Against “the parties own rules” how? Each state runs their shit differently.
The Florida Democratic Party’s executive committee voted to cancel their primary at the end of October 2023 and declare Biden the winner
The Tennessee Democratic Party decided to list only Biden as a ballot option for its primary after a November 11 meeting
The North Carolina Democratic Party acknowledged receiving requests for ballot access from Phillips and other candidates, but chose to only include Biden for its primary
The Democratic Party of Wisconsin left Phillips off the ballot; he appealed to the Wisconsin Supreme Court on January 26, 2024. The court unanimously ruled on February 2 that Phillips should be included on the ballot.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Phillips_2024_presidential_campaign
Dean Phillips? I’m fairly engaged in mainstream political discussions and the only reason I’ve heard his name is to point out that he’s one of a small number of potential spoiler candidates.
Even the article you linked is full of quotes bashing his campaign.
The guy taking campaign donations from Harlan Crow ought to be enough to tell you everything you need to know. This guy isn’t here trying to win, he’s just trying to muddy the waters.
I know Biden is a really tough pill to swallow. It’s true, I feel it too, but unless he drops dead tomorrow, he’s the guy that has already beaten Trump, so smart money is going to the proven winner. The sooner we all accept that and start focusing on the down-ballot races, the better. Because truthfully the president doesn’t make enough difference if Congress continues to be absolutely fucking useless.
Because truthfully the president doesn’t make enough difference if Congress continues to be absolutely fucking useless.
I hate how true this is. Honestly we need to have a better strategy for the legislature than we do now. Assuming that it will go the same way as the president or ignoring it because it isn’t one of the “big” elections is why every dem in the last 20 years has gotten roadblocked in moving forward any real progressive policy.
Phillips received 19.7% of the vote in the New Hampshire primary, despite Joe Biden not being on the ballot. Phillips received less than 2% of the vote in the South Carolina primary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Phillips_2024_presidential_campaign
Each state sets its own primary rules, so they’re all over the place. If the guy can’t get enough support, he can still be a write-in.
Sorry, but that’s not preventing someone from running.
Bernie isn’t running. Williamson, Phillips, and Uygur were the main primary challengers. DNC refused to so much as acknowledge them, knowing they are all preferable choices to Biden for voters, but also that none would be as subservient to corporate interests as Biden.
In several documented cases, the national committee called state boards and asked them to cancel primaries altogether, regardless of whether the challengers had already met requirements to appear on ballots. Some of them did cancel primaries, like FL.
The DNC show themselves to be true hypocrites by claiming that “democracy is on the line” this election. This blatant slap in the face of voters is how the DNC is handing the election to Trump, but they will claim after losing that progressives simply didn’t vote hard enough.
Bernie isn’t running because he’s consistently gotten shafted of Democrat support from the party establishment. In the 2016 primaries, the vast majority of superdelegates were in support of Clinton which impacted polling, support, morale, and voter turnout. A “democracy” where some votes are worth more than others isn’t a democracy, it’s a sham.
All of that is true except for the reason why Bernie isn’t running.
He absolutely does not want to give more animosity towards Biden for Trump to take advantage of. Because that happened in 2016 and it was disastrous.
Only Philips was able to get even a tiny bit of support. He’s as centrist as Biden. This whole corporate conspiracy you guys love is nonsense. There’s a shitload of corporate money in politics, make no mistake, but this is a far cry from the resistance that Bernie ran into. Bernie had actual support.
How do these guys poll? Have you even listened to Dean, the one doing the best? He’s not espousing any leftist ideas you know, he’s a reach-out-to-the-repubs style dem.
Yes! There are definitely NO private interest groups in the US! Everything is 100% voters choice. I’d also like to add the US system is not in anyway pay to play. The only reason truly grass root candidates don’t get elected to major positions is that the American people prefer and trust corporate backed politicians, as they are the ones that will lead us to a more productive feature!
/s
America deserves a President Kamala Harris
Yes, can’t wait for the memes
You think they need even more prisons?
I’m happy to see that my KHive fans at Hexbear remain loyal! I’m ready for this, I’m ready to be the extremely awkward public face of the American empire as I continue the same genocidal policies of my predecessors!
Replacing the Person Doing The Genocide with the Person Who Stood Near The Levers Of Power And Did Nothing = harm reduction
Lmfao KHive, I love it.
Is he sticking with Harris? Why, did she get more popular or something?
Would be kind of a self own to get a new VP. No one does that. Unless she like killed someone Biden has to ride it out
Aaron Good covers those shenanigans in his book American Exception. He talks about it a bit in this Macro N Cheese podcast episode (transcript included): American Exception with Aaron Good
Exception proves the rule. Garner campaigned against FDR.
I don’t know what’s wrong with those Dems. Does she think she just fell out of a coconut tree?
I expect any VP should be ready to serve as long as they are VP. That’s like, the biggest role of a VP other than as a tie breaker in the Senate.
You’re usually not supposed to talk about it though, because it’s basically saying “I don’t think the President is fit to lead”
I’d say that would be one of the duties of the VP, to organize the 25th amendment and become president if the current president is unfit to lead. Of course that is assuming you were chosen to be VP because of abilities, rather then to appeal to a certain state or demographic. For example when Obama chose Biden to begin with.
Well, no. It’s saying, IF the President BECOMES unfit to lead for any reason, the VP should be expected to take over. This is a topic of literally every election.
If a VP isn’t ready to take over, they are a bad VP. There’s a reason why VPs have a debate before elections on policy.
You are literally right, but politically wrong. How shit like that plays can be very different from the carefully parsed out phrasing. This is one of the reasons that Republicans consistently kick the shit out of Democrats on messaging.
Democratic politicians love getting high on their own farts with clever language and nuanced takes. They do this shit all the time because they are so deeply out of touch.
Hate to break it to you lady but no, you abso-fucking-lutely are not.
How come? (Genuine question)
*ready to rule the regime
She’s borderline brain-dead even though she’s in her prime. I genuinely hope Biden wins AND lives for another five years.
I would hope so. I can’t imagine anyone agrees to be VP without understanding that they may have to take up the mantle of President without much notice.
Could they just trade places? Run as a Harris Biden ticket. There is a lot more endless whining about Biden than Harris after all, and I imagine it would throw Newscorp for a spin while they refocus on new non politics reasons to hate Harris. She’s younger, more likable, and can point to the same exact record.
Given that the current Dem plan seems to be to do nothing and just hope that the Republicans never win again, starting a tradition of the VP of one admin graduating to the Presidency of the next seems like it might also make sense to limit the difficulty faced holding the office after a second term.
It’s not whining, it’s justifiable outrage. The fact that Harris can point to the same exact record is not a plus. There were polls before this memory issue even came up showing that Trump was beating Biden with blacks, Latinos and voters under 25! Do you realize how bad that is!? Democrats have to absolutely dominate in those demographics to have a chance at winning. It’s true that polling at this stage is pretty useless but, even so, that ought to be setting off alarm bells. This is really bad.
BTW: if you really want to alienate voters that the Democrats desperately need, then keep using words like “whining”.
I don’t know, I’d say Fox News and the New York Times running constant stories on a canadates age or speaking ability while avoiding more than a footnote mention of any policy, actions, or laws the candidate has shaped, no matter how watered down they were, is whining. If it was justifiable outrage, surely the focus would be on things he was actually doing, like supporting Isreal’s far right or backing down when faced with a incompetent House, and not about how someone with a speech impediment flubed a speech?
Ah. I didn’t realize you were going for the Fox News / New York Times demographic. I’m not sure tagging in an unlikable black woman from California is going to get you very far with that crowd, but I wish you the best of luck.
Biden pretty obviously has got some working memory issues that go beyond a simple speech impediment. Personally I don’t think that’s a big deal for an effective executive, since good staffing and delegation can bridge that gap. It’s pretty horrible for a presidential candidate though. It’s a really good thing that Trump is no more interested in a debate than Biden.
BTW: if you really want to alienate voters that the Democrats desperately need, then keep using words like “whining”.
This. The Democratic establishment’s smug, centerist, out of touch attitude is MASSIVELY self destructive. Are their political consultant’s ALSO massively out of touch??
The Democratic establishment and their political consultants are pretty much the same exact group. It’s a revolving door system to distribute campaign donations. DNC members move in and out of the various campaign organizations, consultancies, and government positions.
Campaign money gets spent on consultants who take a cut and spend most of the rest on ineffective television adds. The primary purpose of the adds is not to reach voters, but to purchase the loyalty of broadcasters who will then cooperate with campaigns. That’s why they have been so slow to shift to the Internet, even though it provides the most bang for the buck. Leverage over broadcasters is crucial in maintaining a news blackout for progressive candidates.
Most people dislike her. Most black people do not lile her. She bleeds black staff constantly, this was on the news. Like what has she really done with her given portfolio? Most people are barely aware of what it even is.
Just saw that Biden will be not taking a Mental Cognitive Test on his next physical. Wonder why.
Maybe because there are a number of videos lile this plus all the recent stuff. It is concerning. I bet they will swap for Newsom.
Hell no to Harris, she has negative charm every interview I’ve seen, like she has utter contempt for anyone else.
There were 4 opeds in the NYT over the weekend talking about Biden’s age, which felt remarkably candid for the elite rag it is. One of them in particular was an “interesting” idea where Biden is swapped out before the convention, but after the primaries / delegates are assigned. Democracy FTW (/s)
Now that I think about it though, why would the aides actually running the white house want a real leader? Seems like they have it pretty good as it is.
Like what has she really done with her given portfolio? Most people are barely aware of what it even is.
She told Hondurans
to the U.S.What’s really funny is
is such a goofy quote that even people who aren’t remotely leftists use it. If people don’t know where it’s from the seeds are right there for a blatant anti-immigrant speech to blow up in her face and not go away.The inside politics reason that Harris exists in the white house, is that the Hillary faction of the DNC (who hates obama, almost as much as they hate bernie), were positioning Harris as their replacement for Clinton. After Harris face-planted repeatedly during the primary and it was obvious she was never going to be elected, she joined the centrist voltron along with Pete Buttigieg, Bloomberg, Amy Klobachar, and Elizabeth Warren who all dropped out and endorsed Biden right before South Carolina in order to stop Bernie. Pete got to be secretary of transportation, Harris got VP.
One of the reasons Hillary lost (aside from that asshole James Comey) was that a significant percentage of this country doesn’t believe a woman can lead, and not all of those disbelievers are Republicans.
Is it possible that Hillary just wasn’t a good candidate?
Nope, it was HER TURN! Now shut your deplorable mouth and quit questioning the Holy Neoliberal narrative! The Third Way shall provide!
~/s for the dumb~
Lol, are you seriously still peddling the “if you don’t vote for Hillary you’re sexist” bullshit? It was pathetically transparent back in 2016, it’s downright delusional now.
Couldn’t have anything to do with her being an unapologetic war hawk. Or a Clinton (the last one helped set up our economy to crash in 2008). Or a weak candidate with weak positions pandering to the middle even during the primary instead of pushing left. Or an entitled narcissist who colluded with the DNC leadership to put their thumb on the scale. Or a petulant child who was too busy smearing her primary opponent even after the general was over to take responsibility for the fact that she and her campaign directly gave us Trump by propping him up as a pied piper.
Yeah, like the people who equate not voting for Hillary with sexism seem to forget that she ran a hideously out of touch campaign - “America is already great” as a direct response to “Make America great again” which didn’t exactly resonate with anyone who was making less than $200K a year and struggling with the forever recession.
It’s wild watching Democrats doing everything they can to repeat 2016. Now it’s “Bidenomics” says the economy’s great, why won’t you listen to us? Appointing a special counsel that releases a report about illegally storing classified material that says Biden’s too forgetful to have had intent. Instead of collapsing at a 9/11 memorial, Biden’s had 4 major incidents with his memory in the space of a week. Biden’s net favorability of -17 is lower than Hillary hit even after the Comey report. DNC removing candidates from the primary ballot that they’re scared of. Next thing you know, we’re going to find out Biden never stopped in Wisconsin for the 2024 campaign.
Or her sexism. Or sense of entitlement. Get terribly out of touch comments and attempts at jokes. Her unfair attacks on Bernie like suggesting he wasn’t working on healthcare in the '90s
Tbh I don’t even blame Comey since everyone thought Trump would lose. Better to make it look like he wasn’t waiting for her to be president first and have conservatives going bat shit that the FBI is run by Democrats trying to steal the election…I mean they do that now anyways lol, but still.
No.
I wouldn’t vote for Hillary period for many reasons. Her sex is not one of them.
A random fact, I actually did vote for a woman to be president. But, it damn sure was not Hillary. There is too much stink associated with her. Too much shit swept under the rug.
Why do you think their comment was directed at you?
You’re absolutely correct. People are seriously misinterpreting what you said, maybe intentionally. I don’t know why people are clamoring to defend sexists.
Fine with a woman. Not fine with someone that everyone feels is crooked as hell. People just don’t like Hillary. Plain as that. Damn near any other well spoken woman could have beaten trump in 2016. The crooked DNC shoehorned Hillary in because they thought anyone would win against trump.
