This commentary is reminiscent of the radical right’s reactions to the Ruby Ridge incident of 1992, an 11-day standoff in Idaho between federal agents and the family of Randy Weaver, a Christian fundamentalist affiliated with the far-right white separatist movement. The standoff resulted in the deaths of Weaver’s wife, son, and a federal marshal.
Dude… Ruby Ridge was a big deal because the FBI shot Randy Weaver in the back while he was lifting the latch to his shed to see his son’s body, and then kept shooting at him as he and his family was running back to his cabin, hitting and killing his wife while she was holding their baby. It was a huge deal for a lot of people, Randy Weaver was found not guilty of any “siege-related charges” and awarded $3 million in damages, and the DOJ extensively revised their policies as a result.
Craig Deleeuw threatened to kill the president, and then according to the FBI and I see no reason to doubt them, was pointing his weapon at the FBI when they shot him. Whatever Randy Weaver did to create the Ruby Ridge confrontation, I don’t think it’s fair to compare the reaction to that to the reaction to this.
The guy that said federal agents wouldn’t dare arrest him “because they’d get a .45 in the face”? He pointed a gun at the FBI?
Say it ain’t so
Still, the Ruby Ridge and Waco comparisons are frightening. This is where the radical right really started to emerge. There was a great podcast series that I listened to about it. Here it is: Long Shadow (Apple) or Spotify link
Some reich-winger’s tweet quoted in the article:
There has been no claim that this individual fired on FBI agents, or even that he was armed at the time of the fatal altercation today. Apparently a giant squad of militarized personnel was incapable of apprehending a 75 year old man without gunning him down on his doorstep.
In Buffalo, a 75 year old man who was trying to turn in lost property during a protest; the police shoved him to the ground so hard that he was bleeding from his head, but they just stepped over his body. Breonna Taylor was sleeping when cops raided the wrong apartment. Charles Kinsey was shot lying facedown in the street with his hands in the air while trying to protect his autistic patient.
They’re fine with all the other “poor outcome” police shootings in this country, they only get upset and fearful when one of “their own” is shot.
I get what you are trying to say, but she wasn’t sleeping at the time of the shooting. No need to rely on misinformation to here. The truth is damning enough for police.
Edit: In case y’all need proof.
“Claim: Taylor was shot while she was asleep in bed
Various social media posts and media reports have said Louisville police gunned down Taylor as she was asleep in bed.
Commonwealth’s Attorney Tom Wine played partial recordings of police interviews with Walker during a May 22, 2020, news conference in which Walker told police he and Taylor were watching a movie in bed — it was “watching them more than we were watching it,” he said — when they heard a loud bang at the door, scaring both of them.
Walker said he initially thought it might’ve been Taylor’s former boyfriend, but there was no response when Taylor twice called out, “Who is it?”
Then, Walker, saying he was “scared to death,” grabbed his legally owned handgun.”
getting your door kicked in by a gang of cops about to shoot you to death tends to wake a person up
what misinformation?
Here is the wiki on it. If your husband had a full conversation with his mother about noises coming from below and then calls 911 and then gets his gun, could you still be asleep at that point? She was, however, still in bed and the no knock shouldn’t have been allowed.
could you still be asleep at that point?
do you have proof she wasn’t?
Claim: Taylor was shot while she was asleep in bed
Various social media posts and media reports have said Louisville police gunned down Taylor as she was asleep in bed.
Commonwealth’s Attorney Tom Wine played partial recordings of police interviews with Walker during a May 22, 2020, news conference in which Walker told police he and Taylor were watching a movie in bed — it was “watching them more than we were watching it,” he said — when they heard a loud bang at the door, scaring both of them.
Walker said he initially thought it might’ve been Taylor’s former boyfriend, but there was no response when Taylor twice called out, “Who is it?”
Then, Walker, saying he was “scared to death,” grabbed his legally owned handgun.
Claim: Taylor was shot while she was asleep in bed
I never claimed this
also, you link doesn’t prove this:
If your husband had a full conversation with his mother about noises coming from below and then calls 911 and then gets his gun, could you still be asleep at that point?
and it doesn’t prove she was awake at the time, ether. people doze off while watching movies.
“Breonna Taylor Was Asleep.” Yes, she was asleep the night/morning of the shooting. No, she was not asleep when she was shot.She was gravely wronged, and what happened is entirely inexcusable. However, statements that confuse people on the facts of the situation do not help the cause.
Edit: It seems my memory was faulty, per Walker’s statement, they were watching a movie in bed when police came to the door.
like he said:
getting your door kicked in by a gang of cops about to shoot you to death tends to wake a person up
Like I said:
She was gravely wronged, and what happened is entirely inexcusable. However, statements that confuse people on the facts of the situation do not help the cause.
statements that confuse people on the facts of the situation
where did I do this?
I bet they’re the same ones that don’t want body cams or investigations into excessive policing…
If only he’d complied…
He did tell them, come back with a warrant, which they did.
Just respond to them that he should’ve obeyed and he’d be alive
#JUST COMPLY
A 75-year-old with a gun IS Trump’s base, and is just as dangerous as a teenager with a gun. Possibly more so because of the sheer delusions this voting base has. Who wants to guess as usual the the alt right is downplaying yet another terrorist event on their side.
Guy was armed and was making detailed death threats. If I was sent in to apprehend him you better believe I’m going in using as much force as I can to guarantee I’ll see my family for dinner after.
Yep, never heard these people talk about Michael Reinoehl.
Actually a lot of right-wingers cared about Breonna Taylor. The top post by far on /r/progun is about Breonna Taylor.
They only care as long as it promotes gun rights for white men. They don’t care about the disparate impact she and other black women experience.
These are the top 4 posts on the sub though?
Craig DeLeeuw Robertson was an American retiree from Provo, Utah who allegedly threatened online to assassinate President of the United States Joe Biden and other government officials and was subsequently shot and killed by agents of the FBI on August 9, 2023 when they attempted to execute search and arrest warrants.
He allegedly referenced the president’s scheduled Thursday visit to Utah and threatened to dig out camouflage gear and a rifle.
In other posts, Robertson identifies himself as a “MAGA TRUMPER” and describes one of his rifles as a “DEMOCRAT ERADICATOR.”
The complaint included screenshots from Robertson’s profile where he threatened to shoot (New York County District Attorney Alvin Bragg, who is prosecuting a criminal case against former President Donald Trump) in a courthouse parking garage. But when FBI agents confronted Robertson, he said it was a dream, according to the complaint.
Days after FBI agents spoke with Robertson on March 19 and told him they were investigating his social media posts, Robertson started posting content addressed to the FBI itself. He often said he knew they were watching what he was posting, and that the agents who spoke to him came close to being shot.
Additional info from: https://www.sltrib.com/news/2023/08/10/what-we-know-about-provo-man/
So they didn’t march in and assassinate him; they’ve been trying to get him to calm down since March and he still posts threats…
I mean if you make your intent of murder clear, then yes, you run the risk of authorities killing you while trying to detain you.
I guess its an issue of both motive and opportunity. Dude clearly wasn’t in a position to shoot farther than his front porch.
The FBI clearly didn’t know that, al they could have known was that he was armed and making death threats.
Damn. What does the “I” in FBI even stand for anyway?
Some states don’t require gun registration so you’d have no idea what is in that house
Guns…don’t really work that way.
Far right figures will always claim this and stoke stochastic terrorism. So go vote in 2024. Actually, go vote in every local election. We got a lot of terrorism fixing to do.
We need to do more than just voting
Projection is at the core of GOP
Which makes me legitimately scared about what happens if/when they get control of the executive branch again.
When, not if.
You got downvoted because it’s an uncomfortable statement, but you’re not wrong. Conservatives are very good at riling up voters, whereas democrats seem to present the most milquetoast candidates at every single opportunity.
The biggest opponent for conservatives is liberals; The biggest opponent for liberals consistently seems to be other liberals. Because liberals have repeatedly shown that even when they have full control of the legislative and executive branches, they’re still ineffective at passing meaningful legislation. Meanwhile, conservatives are really really good at presenting a unified front. They’re able to fall in line and vote on unpopular things without worrying about pissing off half of their voter base.
True when they’re passing monstrous legislation. However, another feature of conservative politics is constant in-fighting and back-biting. They’re frequently throwing each other under the bus, recording conversations and leaking them, etc. It’s pretty entertaining when you can step back from the horror of it all.
ETA: It’s almost as though they’re assholes.
I would worry. If the Biden administration wanted you dead they would
Step 1: conduct polls on the matter
Step 2: send a begging letter to the GOP asking for permission
Step 3: open negotiations with the GOP and gives them whatever they want.
Step 4: spend ten months at Town hall meeting to convince the liberal base
Step 5: get approval from Congress
Step 6: fight the court battles
Step 7: lose in the Supreme Court when Roberts vomits all over it.
Step 8: repeat the process with a watered down version, maybe not kill me, maybe just give me a head injury and let god decide.
…
You would be fine for at least 20 years and then get a letter saying “you are a bad person.”. Not even a !
“you are a bad person.”
Nah, that’s too spicy for Democrats. Their letter would accuse them of having no “shame”, or “honor”, as if any Republican gives a shit about those concepts.
This is what cracks me up:
The Democrats are both ominously powerful and painfully ineffective at the same time. Even of the January 6th rioters, only the criminally stupid died, and most got a slap on the wrist.
We are all domestic terrorists
It explains their concern…
Haha the far right have been threatening to kill liberals for a few years now and are itching for an real civil war. Most of the threats I read about are made in their Telegram channels, but they all say how they’re stocking up on guns and ammo and waiting for the go-ahead.
Fortunately the relevant authorities are well-aware of the threat.
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Orwell on Hitler:
It is a pathetic, dog-like face, the face of a man suffering under intolerable wrongs. In a rather more manly way it reproduces the expression of innumerable pictures of Christ crucified, and there is little doubt that that is how Hitler sees himself. The initial, personal cause of his grievance against the universe can only be guessed at; but at any rate the grievance is here. He is the martyr, the victim, Prometheus chained to the rock, the self-sacrificing hero who fights single-handed against impossible odds. If he were killing a mouse he would know how to make it seem like a dragon.
Like the cop who beats up his wife, then cries because she made him do it, and convinces himself he’s really the victim of the whole debacle.
The guy was going into detail about what it would like to see his victims dying. I haven’t seen info on what exactly triggered the shooting.
One guy pointed out his age and “Why did they need all those cops?”. I don’t care if you are 75, you can still pull the trigger on a semi-auto gun.
He pointed a gun at the FBI agents serving a warrant. This was not an execution, it was an old white guy who’s never had his privilege checked before.
Or any gun generally
well, if they’re shifting the definition of “conservative” to what others call a “domestic terrorist who made death threats against the President and then had a shootout with the FBI rather than surrender,” then yeah, those people should watch out.
They are
Snake choked on its own tail today.
Fear mongering far right “journalists” terrifying fragile old, broken white men until they threaten the president’s life constantly. Then the FBI knocks on their door in seemingly valid response and the fragile, frightened old man likely comes to the door with a loaded AR-15, a grenade belt and a blue lives matter t-shirt. His heroes in law enforcement, who are at the same time infallible super beings and complicit traitors tell him to drop the weapon, he refuses… And no more Walter.
The next day, the same fear mongering far right “journalists” tell the “story” of Walter, an innocent martyr, silenced by the JOE BRANDON!
Con artists and cowards.
Keep making direct terrorist threats and watch what happens.
Don’t tolerate the intolerant. That’s how you protect democracy.
