When you visit the Google’s chatbot bard’s website in Microsoft Bing. A New Button pops up besides the search bar which lets you compare bard results with Bing chat’s. I have no idea why they implemented this, well maybe to show off the their chatbot is better than bard or something?
Microsoft needs another good antitrust lawsuit. They’re so aggressive about pushing their products.
I haven’t heard many other people complain about it so it was probably a very short term thing, but I’ll never forget when they updated windows defender to identify the chrome installer as highest-threat malware so that its download would be blocked, and if you forced the download windows would instantly delete the installer for your own protection.
So does Google imo.
Alphabet, Microsoft, Meta. Pretty much all the big tech companies really need a visit from the FTC.
Why not Apple, the closest company to having a monopoly on software running on smart phones in the USA.
Apple and Google have both done similar things. Osx will ask you to use safari if you install a different browser. Google shows “it’s better in chrome!” on basically all of their properties if you’re using non chromium based browsers. No one seems to really give a shit.
How is Meta acting anti competitive? I am not defending them, just actually curious. For Microsoft, Alphabet and Apple it makes sense because they control the platforms.
Honestly the way Microsoft handles things rubs me worse than Google. It’s specifically the way that Microsoft watches what you do, and then tries to stop and convince you to use their stuff instead. And they don’t respect you saying no once, instead trying to stop you at every step in the process.
Google does the same.
I don’t use Chrome. Every single time I go to any Google service, it tells me I need to be using Chrome. It doesn’t take “no” for an answer; it’s a constant nag.
Google Docs especially gets mad and doesn’t even let you paste without formatting.
Use Firefox
If they’re still using Edge at this point, you’re wasting your breath.
we have windows 11 on our work machines. The OS and Office 365 apps are forcing more and more links to open in Edge instead of the default browser. Microsoft has been fined in the past over their push for Internet Explorer (at least in the EU), but what they are doing now has already become much worse.
Is it me, or is that pretty anti consumer?
No more anti-consumer than Google saying that “the internet is best experienced in chrome” every time you open YouTube or Google search.
They say that? I only use Firefox and I don’t see that.
Well, they also mangle/limit the Google Search on Firefox for Android. If you change your useragent to Chrome, it will show just fine, so it’s not issue with Firefox, it’s deliberate.
DDG has better results anyway
Google’s results these days are shit. The other day I googled an exact terraform resource and included “terraform” in my search query. The first result should’ve been the page for that resource in terraform’s documentation, but that page wasn’t in the results at all. What was there was a blogspam copy of said page.
Google has stop paying attention to it’s own search commands. I can +search term in my search and it will still bring up the same results it brought up in the previous search that made me include the + in the first place, even when I know results with that term exist.
Also if it decides you’ve typo’d, it often no longer gives you the option to search for the exact thing you typed. It used to say “did you mean __________?” and you could click a link to search for the exact word it thins you mistyped. It now often doesn’t give you that option anymore.
Huh, does it show a popup or something or is it just speculation that they limit the search?
I haven’t used Google search regularly for years anyways, so I don’t know.
Just gives you a limited interface. The menu on left side is completely gone, voice search is missing, Google Lens is missing, you can’t search by tags.
This add-on fixes it by changing useragent to Chrome when browsing Google: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/google-search-fixer/ which makes Firefox contribute to Chrome marketshare.
Huh, that’s odd. I found the same problem with some other user strings like some really old versions of chrome on Android and the old Android browser.
Weird to think now that Google used to have Customized Firefox search page.
Don’t you think it’s different if Google says this on their own sites vs Microsoft showing this when visiting their competitors?
Both isn‘t good. But I feel like one of those is clearly worse.
at that point i consider it a microsoft tradition to do the “hey, i see you’re using Y, we have a similar product called Z and it’s better, do you want to try it?”-routine no one asked for.
“No one asked for this” should be Microsoft’s tag line. Rather than fix problems that have been around for years - decades in some cases - they just keep adding crap that no one wants or asked for.
Everything from Microsoft or Google is anti everyone.
It’s also shameless and pathetic.
Being offered a second option and not having a monopoly is as consumer friendly as it gets, may I suggest a dictionary?
Except they are using the power they have with people using their browser to divert people away from the alternative to their product.
PLEASE USE OUR PRODUCTS WE BEG YOU
Not really one to defend Google, but Microsoft is out of line on this (and a lot of other stuff they do). Sadly our Congresspeople are pretty much owned by these corps and won’t do anything about it.
Microsoft has been acting for a monopoly for ages now. But Google was a newcomer, more transparent, and even tried to have a morally positive corporate motto for a time, given competitor propagandists the perfect opportunity to present it as the monopoly it was not. Google has always held itself too back, made their technology too open sourced, and allowed third party growth over their own to be an effective monopoly, and now the Google search engine is rapidly dropping in its effectiveness with the advent of closed off, cult-on-demand social networks, and they will still be damned because they performed targeted advertising first, yet in contrast to Facebook in a way where their user’s data and personal identity has remained relatively safeguarded. Their biggest problem is being unable to operate within their environment or even outside it, as they clearly unwilling to move away from personalized ads because they have shit all revenue streams except for serving ads, even though it is such a necessity that it became one of the cornerstones of duckduckgo.
Google left their “do no harm” motto in the dust long ago and is one of the largest internet monopolies of all time. Both companies suck in that regard.
But yeah, google search is getting worse and worse every day.
Microsoft now has implemented “compare with Bing chat” button when you visit Google Bard in Edge
That title has so many brand names I feel like I’m reading infinite jest
FTFY
Microsoft now has implemented “compare with Microsoft Bing Chat™, an AI search engine powered by OpenAI GPT-4™” button when you visit Alphabet’s Google Bard™ in Microsoft Edge™©®
I hate big tech. I hate big tech.
The AI hype is getting to be even worse than the NFT hype
While bard got some really bad reviews compared to chatgpt, I’ve honestly found it better with queries chatgpt struggled with. I have two examples:
- “Please write a python function that returns an exact solution to pi” Both come up with gregory-leibnitz formula, which of course is an approximation. When challenged that I want an exact solution instead of an approximation, chatgpt apologizes and then returns yet another approximation. Bard correctly claims that that is impossible as pi is an irrational number.
- “What can you tell me about a compound called polysac-active in cough syrups”. Chatgpt hallucinates something about a company in Indonesia, which seems to have a product that sounds vaguely similar to one of the brands selling that compound. Bard, on the other hand, correctly surmises it’s mostly honey and even gives some examples of real products that feature this ingredient.
In general, Bard in general seems one of the few llms that will tell me it doesn’t know something or that something is impossible. IMHO that’s better than just coming up with a hallucination.
Same. Found it to be better with some and worse work others. With some of those where it provides worse results compared to ChatGPT it just feels like it’s missing the fine tuning. It provides pretty similar results as when ChatGPT 3.5 came out a while ago. People just tend to forget about it.
I had kinda the opposite experience using Bard. It made up random technical details for the questions I asked. It assured me that it knew the contents of a document that it didn’t have access to and generated what it claimed was information from that document rather than saying it couldn’t read it and didn’t know.
Bing lets me use their AI chatbot search without creating an account.
Bing wins.
Interesting, it seems to want me to install Edge. That’s a hard pass.
“…but as the company grew and became more…”
Evil
I liked Edge whilst it was in beta. It was just another browser. Now it’s a browser caked with Microsoft services so they do their best to try to get you to use it. Even Outlook now opens links in Edge, yes ignoring your default browser settings, unless you go into Outlook and unconfigure it. Fuck off Microsoft.
That outlook setting is such a load of crap. Your two choices are “Microsoft Edge” or “Default Browser”. Why even have that setting at all? Just use the default browser!
You have no idea why? Really? It’s to get people thinking about / trying bing.
It’s all advertising.
We’re going to enter another search engine (read chatbot) war.
Just wait until Google manages to bust out the internet DRM they’ve proposed. Then things will really get bad.
We almost need an entirely different internet at this point. Start over, we fucked up.
Gemini exists and the protocol is designed to be hard to extend deliberately, but it serves documents as a markdown-like format instead of modern html/css/js
To be fair that could be a lot worse. I was expecting injected webpage content. I think this is acceptable and serves as a quick way to compare multiple sources. I dislike that it’s Microsoft more than I do the actual “feature”.
It’s not very far away from injecting it into a webpage though. I feel like at this point it wouldn’t make any difference. Except on a meta level.
Just wait until they open a little popup or sidebar with bing search results every time you search on Google, DuckDuckGo or whatever competitor.
As if there is any comparison, bing is miles better, especially in gpy-4 mode.
Bing AI is like a whiny child. Worse than useless. I often can’t even get a single answer to one innocuous question before it goes into wilting flower mode and doesn’t want to talk anymore.
