Rails: “No. Don’t worry Ruby.”
Ruby: “Huh?”
Rails: *Hugs Ruby
Rails: “We’re becoming irrelevant.”Together forever!
I miss Chef
One of the most known programming tool is built on Ruby, Github.
GitLab also uses Ruby on Rails
And it’s a pile of shit.
git is great. GitHub blows chunks. The only reason it’s still big is that it sucks less than any other single platform.
@SpaceNoodle I’ll always be sad how GitHub helped popularise centralised workflows. Such an amazing opportunity for a big cultural shift, but it didn’t go anyway as far as it could have.
Git owes a lot of its popularity to github. Without it, there’s a good chance that mercurial would have taken over. In addition, the centralized workflow was what made both git and github popular. It simplified git usage enough to let a lot of novices get started.
I’m in no way a fan of centralization that github represents. But I think a decentralized workflow using git was a lost opportunity. People complain a lot about the git-email workflow. But I see no reason why it couldn’t have become as easy as using github if the effort spent on github was spent on git-email tools and user experience.
Off to the Island of Misfit Toys then.
So I know it’s supposed to be an arm, but those language be dummy thicc
Homebrew
… is a package manager…
… just run this bash script straight from the internet, it’ll be fine …
ok that sounds like what i need
hey can u tell me how
People make formulas (packages) and extensions in Ruby for it.
Enterprise will keep the withered husk of Java EE crawling for eternity
Medicine too.
An instrument in my lab is running jdk 1_8_131…and this is a recent/newish piece of equipment.
was python ever irrelevant?
Python is the language of choice for most test automation
Depends entirely what tests you’re automating. Java codebase? Probably Java tests too. Anything web? Tests will be JS too, etc.
Web testing is also done in python. Selenium has support in all major Python test frameworks. I’ve done SE-only tests in Robot, hybrid SE/Python using BDD with Behave, etc.
Unless I’m testing a language-specific API, I’m probably going to use Python…
I’m guessing that’s because you’re a python developer though. If you’re a frontend developer who knows JS then why wouldn’t you use that for your tests? (Apart from the fact that JS is horrible, but you’ve already accepted that suffering by becoming a web dev)
I’m a test automation developer, I’m not necessarily bound by the platform that the application is written in unless I’m writing white-box tests.
If I can’t do it as a Bash one-liner, I’m using Python
Grug use go because it easier, faster, and compiles to share with friends of Grug
subprocess.Popen(["bash one-liner"], stdout=PIPE, stderr-PIPE, text=True)["bash", "one-liner"]
I use perl, but everyone hates me and would rather rewrite my little scripts in python than bother changing a single line
You’re right, everyone hates you.
😔
The good news is that you can stop using Perl at any time.
For quick data parsing you’ll have to pry it from my cold dead hands im afraid
Perhaps as the new hotness to web devs, but Python was a mainstay in science way before Django.
Nope. This cartoon is horseshit.
Yeah. Look at any dev job listing and it’s all “Python, C++, or Java experience preferred”
For about the first five years of its life, it was eclipsed by Perl. That’s about it. I don’t think anything will ever unseat Python as too many people’s first and last language.
Surely not in the immediate future, but there will surely be a day when Python dies. Remember that BASIC filled that role for far too long.
BASIC was meant as a teaching language. Python is a real language that’s simple enough to be a teaching language. It also runs the same dialect on every machine, which BASIC never did.
Being the second best language at everything, it gets used for everything because people don’t want to learn the first best in any given niche. Python isn’t the best choice for numeric applications, but with NumPy, it’s adequate, so why bother learning R? Even if you knew R already, you’re going to run into a lot of Python code for that domain from other people. You’ll be swimming against the current, and why bother?
Python will die when the sun does.
You have absolutely no idea how much business code has been written in VB.
I do know, but that’s off to the side of BASIC in general. In fact, VB syntax is barely recognizable as BASIC.
Or COBOL.
No language truly dies, while Capitalism exists.
Python is one of my primary languages (the other one being Rust). But it honestly isn’t the easiest language to teach - I’m saying this from experience. There are so many concepts at play - name binding, iterators, generators, exception chains, context managers, decorators, … . I could go on and on. Teaching becomes hard because any basic question could become a journey into the rabbit hole of python semantics.
Python is, however, a good first language for self learners. (Note: teaching vs learning). Python behaves intuitively. It’s designed in such a way that if you guess something about the language, you’ll probably be right.
Being the
secondtenth best language at everythingFTFY
Maybe when 3.0 was new and created all sorts of incompatibilities with 2.x
Nah, Python 2.7 got way more support than it ever deserved because people just refused to switch to 3. Hell, people were starting new python projects on 2 after 3 came out.
the perl monks have hidden away the monastic order safely until they are needed to fight the ai demons
Good
Shopify is built on Ruby on Rails
Yeah but Shopify also runs on GraphQL and Remix which are way more modern. This is like saying Twitter is RoR
I worked at Shopify up until a year ago. github.com/shopify/shopify repo powers almost every inch of Shopify’s infrastructure and is entirely a rails monolith. It is not the same as saying Twitter is still rails.
Thanks for the insight! I’ve seen so many gql queries in the UI and remix is blowing up so I figured it was at least similar.
So is square IIRC
That explains a lot
I like ruby. Use it for a bunch of things at work.
Yesterday I would have argued that with the rails framework Ruby is a great way to rapidly develop a scalable application. Today I started having an intermittent failure in one of my API instances and when searching about it the only thing I could find was one obscure blogpost that boiled down to “yeah sometimes Ruby Ave active record just screws up the character set off a string” exact same string, different results. Excuse me Ruby? How the fuck can you sometimes screw up a character set? There should be no sometimes to any thing here.
I mean I’ve been using ActiveRecord for the last 20 ish years and I’ve never encountered or even heard of this bug. Sounds like you came across an especially obscure one.
Haven’t Spring Boot in Kotlin with jib and cloud integration caught upto this in terms of development speed?
I spent a few years with Ruby, and my experience is that Ruby and Rails couldn’t be more different in terms of programming approach, philosophy, and nature. I don’t trust Rails fully, but I do trust Ruby.
I like Ruby most of the time, but honestly, I’m not surprised at “sometimes” behavior from the language created by someone who, when asked for the formal definition of something in the language, said he’s “not really a formal kind of guy.”
@nifty I have nothing against Ruby and think it’s a nice flexible language. At the peak of RoR though, all the asshats were all over Ruby.
My problem with Ruby wasn’t even RoR, it was with the way the asshats valued “creativity” which seemed to mean writing code in the most cryptic ways possible. These folks took what should be an expressive language and wrote scripts that rivaled Perl’s worst “read once and never again” scripts.
I never did Rails but I used Ruby for many personal projects in the 2000s.
When showing stuff to my coworkers or friends, I often joked how I tried to make my code look like it was already gzipped.
This wasn’t “creativity over code” so much as it was the tail end of y2k and all the greybeards were canned so none could teach the shiny whiz kid how to code like an adult.
Without the linus-like code review sessions, they never learned why and how to improve.
Now their kludge-bro mentality has raised a whole new generation.
And that’s why people don’t know not to flatpak or npm themselves into a solarwinds sploit.
RoR is too much magic for me. Getting started with any new code base is such a pain that I never want to do again. As a manager, I’ll avoid any job post that mentions Ruby. I have maintained projects written in Delphi, Centura, Java, C#, PHP and none of them even come close to the pain of RoR. Java and C# are notorious for ceremonial interfaces but that’s nothing compared to trying to figure out RoR automagics.
Maybe in enterprises settings what you say makes sense, but for the small to medium startups I usually work for, RoR is great. It’s super easy to prototype and switch lanes. If I had to do what I do in Java I’d go insane. As for Delphi…
The RoR “magic” being obtuse is extremely exaggerated most of the time and more meme than reality. If you think PHP is better, by which I guess you mean Laravel, how on earth is that less “magical”? React? Next? I’ll take Ruby any day.
React can go fuck itself with a pineapple, fuck that piece of shit. Every project I’ve had to deal with that used React was an absurdly bloated mess because it imported fuckloads of React plugins and addons.
There is a lot of magic in Java. Try Spring Boot for example, and things magically connect together with annotations, or somehow methods get injected onto interface on the fly, or an http interface maps onto a function with parameters because the runtime is doing it. This is most evident when you set a break point in some class and there might be 4 or 5 mystery functions it passed through between it and where you thought it was calling from. Sl4j, Lombok, Hibernate are doing the same kind of thing.
