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    Oh look, more both sides trash slapped on top of someone else’s work. Lazy fucks can’t even propagandize properly.

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      It’s not really propaganda when it’s true, at least not in the negative sense of “false manipulative information.” If it wasn’t true we’d already have it. Republicans don’t have complete control everywhere, and there are states where Democrats have complete control and they don’t do it because corporations have complete control over most Democrats.

      “We” have like a handful of actual progressives in the entirety of our government, state or otherwise.

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      How about spending some of your time and energy telling moderates they can either compromise with leftists and progressives or lose to fascists a second time?

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    Yeah, subby. We get it. “Both sides are bad.” But one side is boring corporatists who don’t give a crap and the other side is 100% concentrated evil fascists, authoritarians and religious nutjobs. And while that’s a choice between the lesser of two evils, it’s not a difficult one.

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      Corporations pay evil fascists to be evil fascist so you could choose “lesser evil”

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          Sounds like average election candidates in Russia.

          1. Stalinist
          2. Member of LDPR
          3. “Let’s calm down” member of United Russia
          4. Noname(if lucky)

          UR always makes themselves to look like lesser evil. “Look at these clowns”, “old thief is fed up, new one will be hungry and steal more”, “look how experienced we are”. If they don’t have 1, 2 or 4th, they will make their own janitor to run against them, so they will look like “lesser evil”.

          Btw janitor won.

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      That may have been the point of the original comic, but given the caption, I think OP’s point wasn’t that both sides are bad, but was that a two party system is inherently biased towards corporate capture.

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      And while that’s a choice between the lesser of two evils, it’s not a difficult one.

      There’s other choices. Moderates and Biden could choose to compromise with leftists and progressives any time. But all signs point to them preferring to lose to fascists a second time.

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        No, there are two choices. It sucks and nobody likes it but if you don’t vote for a Dem you are giving a vote to a Rep. Cut the crap.

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          nobody likes it

          Moderates like it just fine. They’re happy continuing to elect awful pro-corporate, strike blocking, genocide supporting piece of shit candidates and then expecting leftists and progressives to support them in the general. If moderates didn’t like it they would have voted for one of the many alternatives in the 2020 primaries.

          You need to cut the crap. Stop lecturing leftists and progressives and giving moderates a free pass. Moderates are the majority voting bloc for Democrats and thus they take the lions share of the responsibility. Spend your effort lecturing them.

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            I’m further left than you but anyone with a brain knows that it’s a two party system and any vote for any other party is just pissing in the ocean. Find change inside the party with progressives but at the end of the day you (unfortunately) either vote blue or red or you might as well not vote at all.

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              You can call yourself whatever you want but if at the end of the day you vote like a moderate your beliefs make no difference.

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                  No. I’m fine with voting 3rd party or writing in knowing they’ll likely not be elected. Are moderates fine with Biden losing to Trump? If not then they need to find some policy to compromise on in order to encourage progressives and leftists to vote for Biden again. We compromised in 2020 and voted for Joe Biden in the general. We’ve gotten fuck all for it. It’s time for a compromise in the other direction. There’s no point for us to stand around a table when moderates refuse to give us a seat.

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      That’s the problem with this “both sides” take. Yes, there is no true leftist party in the US. They’re both corporatists. The Republicans are undeniably much worse, though. Anti-union, anti other labor rights, oppose every kind of social safety net, want to privatize (loot) and profit from public assets, are thoroughly in favor of racist classist policies of every type imaginable. Some democrats are too, but ALL republicans are like that.

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      We do get it. It’s obvious. It’s so obvious that the only people still supporting FPTP are in favor of it; they don’t give a crap about selling us out to fascists.

      And the “not fascists” angle worked a lot better when they weren’t aiding a genocide.

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        aiding a genocide

        As opposed to the alternative who is in rabid support of multiple genocides…? You are SO smart and totally know what you are talking about.

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    2 party system is almost the same as 1 party dictatorship. You do need unlimited amount of parties to have any kind of democracy

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      We definitely don’t have a two party system. Trump came in and invented a whole new party just like that. We have republicans, democrats and trumpers.

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          If you want to get pedantic then the US has MANY different legal parties. Functionally only three that matter.

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        Pro-Trump Republicans and anti-Trump Republicans are not at all separate parties, and 99% of anti-Trump Republicans still support him in practice when the alternative is working with Democrats.

        Saying they’re separate is like saying AOC and Nancy Pelosi are in different parties.

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      🚫 Both sides are equally bad.

      ✔️ Both sides are bad, but not remotely equally so.

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        Really? Are democrats opposed to changing that, or just not prioritizing it because it can get complicated and there are a million other concerns?

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          Are democrats opposed to changing that, or just not prioritizing it because it can get complicated and there are a million other concerns?

          Are those “concerns” bigger than the concern of Trump winning the general election? Make a choice. Raising the federal minimum wage in order to avoid losing to Trump sounds like a bargain to me.

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          It’s the first part. The vast majority of Democrats are “moderate” and “corporate captured.”

          It’s not a “both sides are equally bad in all respects.” It’s “both sides will not give us a change of law to enable a living wage be the standard.” It’s only speaking to that one aspect.

          It might also be a complicated topic, but you don’t solve a complicated topic by never starting on it.

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      Then spend some of that energy telling moderates to start compromising with leftists and progressives if they don’t want to lose to fascists a second time.

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        Sadly, while we would value your support for stopping multiple genocides by voting against Trump, your numbers are far outweighed by that of moderates. I am sorry you can’t comprehend very basic cause and effect and if that costs us our country, I guess you can rest well being so stupid you won’t think you were part of the problem.

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          Well which is it? If our numbers are insignificant then we can’t be part of the problem because we have no effect. Pick a lane.

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    We all agree with this premise and mostly that the FPTP system is a large contributing factor to the TPS saying how it has based on seeing how places that don’t have a TPS appear to do so because the have different voting systems like different iterations of ranked choice voting.

    What I am wondering is what ‘we’ think the best way to implement voting would be?

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      Can’t remember which South American country did it, might have been Venezuela, but at least one of them has an official app. You register to vote on your 18th birthday, and get daily notifications about the various proposals at each level of government that applies to your address. They also created a team to boil the proposals down into plain language. You vote personally and the government has to, in theory, listen to the will of the people.

      Of course that system will still be susceptible to propaganda, as evidenced by the fact that whatever country did it, still has some serious issues.

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    Its always refreshing to look at the american political system if i am disappointed by the German one. Sure our sucks too, but at least we have more then 2 unvotable major parties.

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      In the German system (or any other multiparty system), voters can effectively punish a political party without wasting their vote, because there is a lot of overlap between the parties.

      If you don’t like the current coalition but are a left-leaning person, you can vote for Die Linke. You might not agree with all of their positions but you at least can agree with some of them. Even if that is not palatable if you previously voted SDP you can switch your vote to Green or vice versa to punish the specific officeholders representing your constituency. If you voted for the FDP last time, maybe try Union next time. There are many ways to do this, and overall I think it makes the parties themselves more accountable to the voters because voters defecting their party list votes can drastically change the makeup of the Bundestag.

      Similarly, right-leaning UK voters are punishing the Conservative Party by threatening to or actually voting for Reform candidates. Scots can punish the SNP by voting Labour.

      You can’t do this in the US. In the USA, the only recourse the voters have over the parties is to vote out undesirable candidates through primary elections so that the party cannot nominate them. This works alright, sometimes, but it is not an effective way to punish party leadership for bad decisions, and many primaries are uncompetitive anyway.

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    Minimum wage works. Here is an article from the german newspaper FAZ (leans economically right) that presents a study that shows the low income sector has shrunk since the implementation of minimum wages.
    Germany before had one of the biggest low income sectors in the western world.
    And no, the unemployment rate did not skyrocket. In fact, Germany is as close to full employment as it gets.

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      Germany is as close to full employment as it gets.

      I wonder what they do in 21st century when everything is mechanized and automated like never before.

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        Meanwhile in California there are a ton of choices, but the party has already decided who’s gonna be the candidate in so many other states, that we don’t count.

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        There are lots of things to vote for besides president. Frankly, if your political involvement is limited to caring only about the President once every 4 years, then you have no right to complain. The only way to change things is to get more involved, not less.

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        Congress matters way more for minimum wage than president.

        In Cali we can choose between Porter and Lee for (somewhat) pro-labor policies. Schiff is a standard Clinton OligoDem.

        I prefer Lee’s policies, but am worried that she and Porter will split their votes and put Schiff through.

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      It’s just shallow and disappointing.

      Your idea of what politics is about has to be bigger than shitposting and trolling.

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          I love this, nobody can actually defend this as a healthy way of engaging with politics.

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          Oh phew, I was worried. Okay okay, what year is it? Do you have any plutonium? I need to get back to my dimension and you’ve been so helpful so far

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    The democrats have been trying to raise minimum wage for idk 15 years now, they just haven’t been given a functional enough majority to make it happen at the national level, though they have absolutely done so at the state level. I think your complaint might be misdirected, and could better apply to the fundamental structure of our bicameral legislature, and especially at the filibuster rule that is getting increasingly unpopular with senators themselves. When the filibuster is gone sometime in the next 6 years I expect, you will see a noticeably more functional senate.

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      I am thoroughly confused as to why this comment is getting downvotes. It corrects the misinterpretation of the poster in a polite and civilized manner, while bringing forth interesting discussion as to what the future may hold and possible solutions to our country’s predicament.

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        Unfortunately I think a lot of people find it easier to feel nihilistic than recognize that there is a path forward