The contents of the Israeli Association of Rape Crisis Center’s paper alleging “systematic” Hamas rape derive largely from discredited second-hand testimonies and debunked media reports. Among its most heavily cited sources is a dubious NY Times article that triggered a staff revolt at the paper.
I did not upvote this because I’m worried I will be accused of antisemitism
Not immediately reflexively endorsing every Israeli action in perpetuity is antisemetic, I’ve reported you to the ICC.
In this case, it might also be a good call because of the source
I’d prefer some other agency reported the story given Grayzone’s track record
The main criticism ‘established’ western-aligned media uses to attack The Grayzone is that they have maintained and shown evidence for ISIL using chemical weapons against Syrians, whereas the western narrative is that it was the Syrian government.
Two days ago, OPCW (The UN) came to the same conclusion as the Grayzone.
https://www.opcw.org/media-centre/news/2024/02/opcw-identifies-isil-perpetrators-2015-chemical-attack-marea-syria
They explicitly say that no one other than ISIL is a probable suspect.
Media bias / fact check for The Grayzone:
Overall, we rate The Grayzone Far-Left Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of propaganda, conspiracy theories, and consistent one-sided reporting.
Far-Left
I’m stealing that drawing. It’s awesome. Did you make it?
Haha I wish I did. Just copied an emoji from Hexbear lol
As I’ve said before, Media Bias/Fact Check is a joke.
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I was shown to be incorrect, after which I edited my comment as you can plainly see.
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Obviously I wouldn’t have edited it if someone hadn’t called me out, how would I have known I was wrong if they hadn’t? I intentionally left my original text there, crossed out. If I were trying to hide something then I would have just removed the text altogether.
Wikipedia too, I suppose.
This sub’s credibility seems to be on par with the Gray Zone based on what you’re upvoting - I’m blocking this brain rot.
Even outside of political reasons Wikipedia is dog shit, how many more cases of teenagers editing and keeping completely wrong shit should be publicized before you fucking shitlibs stop using it as a source? Or this recent news about a bored housewife trolling the Turks
Why do you have “Stormfront” under the parody Wikipedia globe?
(Literally just asking for clarification. It’s not obvious to me and I’d like to understand your intent.)
It the implication that Wikipedia is as bad as the infamous neo-nazi website Stormfront?
Not sure: I didn’t make the emoji, I only borrowed it. There is a relationship between NATO and fascism, though.
The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
Grayzone is a Russian propaganda troll pretending to be left wing in order to pull people to their side.
You people are one step away from creating a conservapedia equivalent because “wikipedia has a liberal bias”
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Ah - lemmy.ml - it all fails into place - red fascist nonsense.
(Commenting in hopes it helps me remember to read these and check into it later when I have more time 😅)
I don’t get the point of these arguments; people came across a border and opened fire on any person they saw! Just because they didn’t rape every single one of them as well does not make it any better.
This is incorrect. The Palestinian fighters refrained from attacking Israeli civilians when they were able to. In many cases they did not do any harm to the Israeli civilians they interacted with and we’re in fact courteous towards them. They targeted military and police instead. A currently unknown portion of the deaths of israeli civilians on 7/10 was from Israeli fire. Witnesses and available evidence indicate that Israeli infantry, tanks, and helicopters fired indiscriminately at civilians, militants, and homes with occupants. Israel refuses to investigate its forces’ acts on 7/10 and destroyed and buried evidence (bombed cars).
So those videos that came out right after, like the ones from that festival where all fake? https://youtu.be/APAhJYIhXv4
What do you think that video shows? It does not show Palestinian fighters shooting civilians indiscriminately. It does show a scene of the aftermath of israeli fire on its own civilians’ vehicles. It does not show Palestinian fighters doing anything outside of their legal rights.
In order to justify the Genocide you need to completely dehumanize Palestinians. That is the purpose of this propaganda. The same propaganda tactic has been used before.
Blegh every war is a crime. I don’t know if there has ever been a war that didn’t involve rape. Even the allies in WWII (“a just war”) were infamous for that, both in the European and Pacific theaters. So it’s not surprising now.
But yes, any Hamas who commit atrocities, may they burn in hell if there is such a place. Same as IDF and settlers who do so.
I’m pretty sure the American troops are still raping people in Japan.
Statistically, sure, there must’ve been rape cases in Japan with american perpetrators. I wouldn’t say that’s relevant in any way to the discussion, though.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/japan-us-military-related-rapes-deaths-okinawa/
Didn’t you read the comment I responded to?
Is anyone else seeing these stories the last couple of days and bracing for some horrific evidence of
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The systematic and intentional rape of Palestinians by Isreali troops and settlers
thats probably like a week from coming out? We know it’s all projection, we know they see Palestinians as “human animals”, we’ve seen the contrast between the chipper umharmed Isreali prisoners and the traumatized wraithlike Palestinians that were released during the prisoner exchange. We’ve seen the piles of bloody body bags in the desert and the reports of organ theft. It’s clear which wide views the other as human beings and which side does not, howthe fuck are they gonna expect us to believe that akshually Hamas are the rapists, other than just banking on racism?
one of the sources was literally “confidential information”
“Trust us bro”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone
Hilarious when discredited outlets call other news outlets discredited.
Some people want for Israel to be the only bad guys here, when the fact is that Hamas is shitty as well. Also, rape during war is so incredibly common that I’d be shocked if it weren’t happening. But this outlet doesn’t believe the Uyghurs are being attacked by the CCP either
I feel like many people don’t understand the horrors of modern conflict in dense urban areas, or have a good understanding that many of Israel actions are actually legal and justified.
But unfortunately a number of Israelis also don’t understand that just because civilians die in war it doesn’t mean you can go out of your way to make it happen, and regardless of the enemy you are facing if you can’t toe the line I hope you find yourself at the end of a public rope.
I feel like many people don’t understand the horrors of modern conflict in dense urban areas,
We know from WWII that bombing civilian centers kills a lot of innocent people. It’s not like anyone should be surprised that Israel’s relentless bombing campaign is murdering thousands.
or have a good understanding that many of Israel actions are actually legal and justified.
Legal how? By their own decision? They’ve committed war crimes and violated military norms. Roughly 1,000 Israelis were killed in a cowardly attack by Hamas, so Israel is “justified” in murdering over 20,000 Palestinians who had nothing to do with the attack?
But unfortunately a number of Israelis also don’t understand that just because civilians die in war it doesn’t mean you can go out of your way to make it happen, and regardless of the enemy you are facing if you can’t toe the line I hope you find yourself at the end of a public rope.
They’ve blocking aid. They’re geared up to move in and build more settlements on stolen Palestinian land. The Israeli public is divided, but there’s plenty of bloodthirsty soldiers sniping children and civilians foaming at the mouth to seize the land. There’s no one holding these people accountable. The IDF lies with every breath and shields their people from justice.
Israel is no better than Russia (and probably worse).
Considering the fact that Israel has killed more journalists, more healthcare workers, more aid workers, and more children during this conflict than Russia has in Ukraine I would say it is definitely worse. The invasion of Ukraine is wrong, but Gaza has become the world capital of war crimes.
Just compare the civilian deaths: UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine has verified 30,457 civilian casualties since 24 February 2022, including 10,582 killed and 19,875 injured.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, thought the fact that they are not trustworthy is a different conversation than whether they are right on this one. They might be, it’s just that you shouldn’t take merely their word for it.
I think this is a good reminder that one should always check their sources tho
Or, y’know, instead of racing to post content from potentially questionable outlets, people could wait until it’s confirmed by more reputable journalists. Or even just stop visiting questionable sites like this in the first place.
Yes. Only get your info from approved sources people. Heaven forbid you fact check anything yourselves
