It is, though. Your insistence that it’s not does not constitute a rebuttal of this criticism.
America has a history of self-organized direct action punishing perceived wrongdoers, sometimes in violent defiance of police and the courts. We just call it lynching.
Minorities in general do not benefit from relying on group dynamics to save their asses… because they’re outnumbered. That’s what “minority” means.
What a state offers, and what reliance on a state encourages, is a uniform set of behavioral standards beyond ‘I’m gonna fistfight a busload of Nazis, wish me luck.’ I mean sure, godspeed and aim for throats, but I hope your affairs are in order.
It literally does not though. You are incorrect about all of this! I clearly said that this action I’m describing is against bigots. You’re leaning on some “all lives matter” logic here.
If I say punching Nazis is good, then you’d respond by saying I have to punch everyone, which is patently absurd. But clearly you need time to process why.
In the meantime, I intend to continue to stand up for justice and equity, whether you like it or not. As someone who grew up gay in a very hostile community, I feel assured that I’m doing the right thing, because my ass has been saved firsthand by people who aren’t status quo-defending cowards.
If you’re calling for individual action to be the only thing stopping bigots… then only individual action will stop bigots. Bigots will otherwise be free to do whatever they want. Including doing unto you what you’re doing unto them, namely, shoving your ass off the bus because they don’t like the look of you. With no state to fall back on for protection or recourse, your choices are to come back with a bigger gang, or walk.
Your moral rationale being better than theirs is not relevant. If you imagine group violence will only be done for good reasons then nobody should ever take you seriously. If you’re incapable of figuring out why everyone’s telling you this, can you at least take a hint from how everyone keeps telling you this?
You just called me a coward while shoving a strawman in my mouth. Take a playground insult in stride if you’re going to respond to polite explanations by acting this shitty.
Oh, it’s some other status-quo-defending strawmen you’re projecting nonsense onto. Because making shit up and going ‘nur nur nur, that’s what you sound like’ is sooo much more civil and constructive than ‘here’s why you’re wrong, butthead.’
Also - bit ironic running for the mods, yeah? In your post about not needing a state? You’ll brag about scrapping with actual fascists, outnumbered ten-to-one, but you’ll tattle to teacher if someone uses a no-no word. How dare they! All you did was strongly imply they’re a morally weak defender of fascism.
Meanwhile. Back at the point: relying on interpersonal violence to guide behavior kinda favors violent assholes. For reasons I really thought were obvious. Nobody’s out here saying only the state can guide behavior, but this image you’ve posted keeps resulting in these conversations that confuse you because you are in fact describing a mob. Focusing on when the mob has good reasons does not change that.
Then I’ll die trying.
But once again, that’s not what this is about.
It is, though. Your insistence that it’s not does not constitute a rebuttal of this criticism.
America has a history of self-organized direct action punishing perceived wrongdoers, sometimes in violent defiance of police and the courts. We just call it lynching.
Minorities in general do not benefit from relying on group dynamics to save their asses… because they’re outnumbered. That’s what “minority” means.
What a state offers, and what reliance on a state encourages, is a uniform set of behavioral standards beyond ‘I’m gonna fistfight a busload of Nazis, wish me luck.’ I mean sure, godspeed and aim for throats, but I hope your affairs are in order.
It literally does not though. You are incorrect about all of this! I clearly said that this action I’m describing is against bigots. You’re leaning on some “all lives matter” logic here.
If I say punching Nazis is good, then you’d respond by saying I have to punch everyone, which is patently absurd. But clearly you need time to process why.
In the meantime, I intend to continue to stand up for justice and equity, whether you like it or not. As someone who grew up gay in a very hostile community, I feel assured that I’m doing the right thing, because my ass has been saved firsthand by people who aren’t status quo-defending cowards.
We’re pointing out Nazis can also punch you.
Jackass.
If you’re calling for individual action to be the only thing stopping bigots… then only individual action will stop bigots. Bigots will otherwise be free to do whatever they want. Including doing unto you what you’re doing unto them, namely, shoving your ass off the bus because they don’t like the look of you. With no state to fall back on for protection or recourse, your choices are to come back with a bigger gang, or walk.
Your moral rationale being better than theirs is not relevant. If you imagine group violence will only be done for good reasons then nobody should ever take you seriously. If you’re incapable of figuring out why everyone’s telling you this, can you at least take a hint from how everyone keeps telling you this?
Uncivil personal attack. Reported.
You just called me a coward while shoving a strawman in my mouth. Take a playground insult in stride if you’re going to respond to polite explanations by acting this shitty.
I didn’t call you a coward. I said the people who stood up for me aren’t cowards.
Oh, it’s some other status-quo-defending strawmen you’re projecting nonsense onto. Because making shit up and going ‘nur nur nur, that’s what you sound like’ is sooo much more civil and constructive than ‘here’s why you’re wrong, butthead.’
Also - bit ironic running for the mods, yeah? In your post about not needing a state? You’ll brag about scrapping with actual fascists, outnumbered ten-to-one, but you’ll tattle to teacher if someone uses a no-no word. How dare they! All you did was strongly imply they’re a morally weak defender of fascism.
Meanwhile. Back at the point: relying on interpersonal violence to guide behavior kinda favors violent assholes. For reasons I really thought were obvious. Nobody’s out here saying only the state can guide behavior, but this image you’ve posted keeps resulting in these conversations that confuse you because you are in fact describing a mob. Focusing on when the mob has good reasons does not change that.