Sophia, Garden of Eden, Genesis
“Villains by Necessity” by Eve Forward.
Every story of Tom and Jerry.
How was Jerry evil? Mice gotta skim
Jerry antagonized Tom into attacking him more often than not. He viewed it as a game rather than a life or death struggle. Tom OTOH would be kicked out on the street if he didn’t try to keep Jerry under control.
I bet its that Jerry has that toxoplasmosis making him unafraid of cats
Some Guinness was spilt on the barroom floor, when the pub was shut for the night. Out of his hole crept a wee brown mouse & stood in the pale moon light. He lapped up the frothy brew from the floor, then back on haunches he sat. And all night long you could hear him roar, "Bring on the goddamn cat!
- Irish poem
I feel like nobody uses the word haunches enough/anymore. Such an amusing euphemism for dat ass
Hella haunches
Haunches like conches
Interview With the Vampire … kind of … Lestat was by no means good to Louis, but their portrayals in the rest of the series was quite different … I think that Anne Rice was trying to show that neither of them should be considered reliable narrators and Louis will always try to portray his situation as awfully as possible and Lestat is a narcissist and will always try to portray himself in the best light even when acknowledging what he did incorrectly.
But, when I saw that book 2 was about Lestat, I was like … wtf … I hate this guy, why would I want a story with him as the main character and then I read them all, lol.
Gru in Despicable Me.
Zangief in Wreck-it Ralph: “You are bad guy but this does not mean you are bad guy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯”
The Quarians vs the Geth…the Quarians did the Geth dirty
- Evangelion, sort of.
- Tom and Jerry
- Metal Gear Solid 3
If we’re going with doomer anime Naussicaä is probably a better example.
Naussicaä
I cannot find it anywhere. :((((
Unless I’m mistaken, they’re talking about Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind (1984)
The villains aren’t good though, it just turned out that the princess has some honor in the war
The villains had the goal of driving back the fungal forest, which was advancing and destroying civilization. They didn’t know that it was filtering pollutants out of water, and they were using militaristic techniques that have the designated “evil” tag but that IMO should be considered in a more nuanced way.
Basically, Nausicaa thought she was in the post-apocalypse and wanted to “live in harmony” with the state of the world. The Valley of the Wind had unique advantages allowing them to do that. Kushana thought the apocalypse was still ongoing, and it was - we saw that other settlements that didn’t have the special meteorological layout of the Valley of the Wind were being overrun by advancing fungal forests.
From a very slightly different perspective, Kushana was the hero here. She was unifying a disorganized and doomed rabble of survivors to work against their doom, and recovered an ancient superweapon to turn it into a protective force that would save humanity instead of attacking it. She turned out to be wrong about a few things but being wrong doesn’t make you evil. I’d argue that she wasn’t really wrong about some of the important stuff and the movie ends on a mixed note.
It’s been a little while since I’ve seen the movie, mind you, but it stuck with me pretty strongly.
Ferris Beuler’s Day Off
Rooney? How did he turn out to be the good guy?
Or do you mean Jeanie?
Lordgenome, Tengan Toppa Gurren Lagann
the method was the problem as far as i’m concerned
not that i saw enough episodes pre-timeskip to have a strong opinion, though
Braid
still ain’t finished it after all these years 'cause of how hard some levels are (and i don’t wanna use a video every damn time)
Not exactly a story. I just watched Babylon 5, and it’s fascinating how the good guys are the bad guys are the good guys are the bad guys…
Who are you?
What do you want?
Also, I think good and bad is a bit fluid there. It’s just people with different agendas. Well, except emperor Cartagia. And perhaps Bester.
What bad guys are good guys? The reverse is obviously Vorlons.
No bad guys are good guys. And most good guys are not good guys, either.
The Shadows, the Centauri and the PSI Corps are introduced as “bad guys” but gain a lot of positive aspects during the show without becoming “good guys”. The Nightwatch and the Earth Governement under president Clark are “bad guys” – but quite a few of there supporters/members become important “good” characters, like Zach Allan, Elizabeth Lochley or Susanna Luchenko.
That’s my point about the Babylon 5 series – they deconstruct the good guy/bad guy meme. Mostly.
Osama bin Laden
Why the fuck did this make me laugh…now I need to downvote myself
Reviewing his career and accomplishments - the guy was a real life Michael Douglas in Falling Down… but followed through on a larger scale. And deaths, a whole lot more deaths.
The Watchmen. Everyone thought Ozymandias was the supreme evil but what he did ultimately saved billions of lives.
…by killing millions. Let’s not forget that part.
The trolly problem. I guess saving billions is better than a million, unless you and loved ones are in the million.
You assume the trolley existed to begin with. There’s no guarantee that Ozymandias’ predictions were right. We’ve been there before, in real life, and turned it back. Nothing says that wouldn’t have happened in their world as well. That’s why he’s not actually a good guy…he took away the option to choose, and killed millions in the process.
Does Snape count?
What about Loki(marvel)?
Snape was never a good guy though. Very brave, yes and he had some good qualities. He was also vindictive and a bully - willing to put his petty dislikes above the quality of his teaching.
He was also vindictive and a bully
I formed the impression that James Potter and his gang were the real bullies, and Snape is a tragic character traumatized by their bullying.
Tragic and also an asshole.
Oh wow, you found my epitaph.
Yes, but then he went on to be an adult bullying children.
Do you honestly think hed be able to keep undercover if he didnt act like a slytherin asshole?
The book strongly implies that Snape turns into a horrible person as a direct consequence of James Potter’s bullying. He seems to be a nice kid before that.
Snape was a good guy, in a sense of oposing the bad guy.
He was however not a good guy in a sense of being at least a decent human being.
Saw X
I’d say that’s an “everyone sucks here” type of story.
