“Consumption of milk per capita has gone down every year over the last 30 years,” says Sylvain Charlebois, director of the Agri-Food Analytics Lab at Dalhousie University. “Actually, it’s gone down by more than 20 per cent since 2015.”
While bagged milk is often cited as a unique Canadianism, it’s actually not sold west of Ontario. Those who prefer it, however, say it’s more cost efficient and some even believe it tastes better.
I love bagged milk, but I can’t go through THREE FUCKING BAGS as a family of two.
They’re more eco-friendly than the box or the jug, but I guess that goes against the goal of consuming more raw materials.
As a family of 5, we go through it easily in a week.
How is a plastic bag more environmentally friendly than a cardboard carton?
The cost to make and recycle carton cardboard polymers uses more resources than bags. Bags are found to be the most environmentally friendly. https://www.dal.ca/news/2021/11/29/milk-jugs--cartons-or-plastic-bags---which-one-is-best-for-the-e.html
To repeat: plastic bagged milk is more eco-friendly than cardboard?
Yes, the plastic is quite thin and requires less power to recycle than the waxed cardboard or thick plastic jugs, if your recycling ends up recycled at all.
I’ll back you up with a source since I just went down this rabbit hole on another comment https://www.dal.ca/news/2021/11/29/milk-jugs--cartons-or-plastic-bags---which-one-is-best-for-the-e.html
Thank you, good read! I just remember finding out a while ago that it was better than the environment (and it does make sense given how little plastic is used), but couldn’t find the source again.
With this new information, will consumers swing over to milk bags? Bagged milk is sold only in four-litre allotments in Canada, which may be too much for some consumers, leading to unconsumed or spoiled milk. This would wipe out any environmental benefits.
Precisely my concern above hahah, I don’t see why they can’t be sold individually with a little stamp on them stating the brand, the quantity and the percentage. We don’t really drink milk, we only use it for cooking and hot beverages.
In Canada the energy costs are less important than the plastic waste as the majority of our electricity comes from hydro or nuclear.
And the plastic IS waste, “recycled” plastic can only make up a tiny faction of newly manufacture products and most waste is rejected anyway because it’s not “clean” plastic.
Also, the cardboard hasn’t been waxed in years. It’s plastic lined
If your recycling ends up recycled at all.
Big if
More eco-friendly? Where I am we can’t recycle any of the bags whereas the box and jug we can.
It’s worth remembering that being accepted in a blue bag and actually being recycled are two very different things. Much of the plastic we’ve “recycled” over the years just ended up in landfills in China.
Remember the old “Where does it go?” “Away,” PSAs from the late '80s and early '90s? Well, plastic recycling has been that, but at an industrial scale.
With all the news about microplastics maybe we should go back to glass bottles.
I would absolutely love the glass bottles.
I worry about breakage and substandard cleaning in the coming era of downsized food safety checkers in the Bitcoin Milhouse cabinet, but a few plebes buying from salmonella will fix that spending … almost.
No different than our returnable beer bottles
It could happen. It seems to be working for Farm Boy.
Glass’s issue is transportation cost, so you’ll want to make milk supply more local…wait a minute, this is starting to sound like commie shit
There was a local dairy in my hometown and they had a little shack set up on the road where you could buy bottles of milk. It was the best milk I’ve ever drunk in my life.
There’s a dairy in my city that’s really taking off in recent years with the same glass approach too. A lot of restaurants, cafes, etc all using their stuff now and if their social media following is any indication then a fair bit of regular consumers too. I like to remain optimistic that stuff like this continues to inspire more sustainable, local food and beverage companies.
Fuck it let’s make our own milk at this point
Pretty easy & cheap. Just need oats, water, a blender, and a screen
And an oat field, and equipment to harvest them
I’ve got nipples, focker
My wife says no cows, because apparently I underestimate the amount of milk a cow makes. I’m gonna have to get used to goat milk
Or just oats?
It is much easier to raise a goat on a small acreage than it is to farm enough oats to extract a worthwhile amount of oat milk.
Also, haven’t liked any oat milk I’ve tried. To be fair I don’t like goat milk either, but it is much closer to what I’m used to, and would definitely be easier to get used to
There is NextMilk and NotMilk brands., both formulated to be similar to actual milk in texture, and taste. You won’t be “Wow, I can’t believe it’s not milk” But it is surprising close compared to oat, soy, or almond milks
That doesn’t exactly help
As in your love of actual cow milk, or the oats takes a lot of farming debate? Not Milk is like pineapple juice cabbage juice and other components that somehow come together to work like milk.
Oats take a lot of space and equipment to farm, and any brand name anything doesn’t help; the idea here was self-sufficiency
They make mini cows.
How do you think they make those little quarts of milk?
Then how do they make chocolate milk?
Got `em
We have glass bottle milk in vancouver area. $1-$2 deposit on the bottle, good incentive to return it when you get your new bottle.
I don’t know if I can sarcastically say ‘sounds like commie shit’ any harder before it would sound like I’m actually against it
That does sound fantastic. How’s the shelf(/fridge) life of the milk?
It seemed on par with jugged/bagged milk as they were pasturizing it. It tasted much better though more like the milk I remember from the UK as a kid. Not sure if they feed differently or just smaller batches that get to market sooner.
I would guess it’s better feed; more grass, less grain
Used to live across the border in Southern BC. Had access to a glass-bottled, “cream-top” (non-homogenized) milk from a local dairy. Fridge life was in-line with regular jugs. Plus, it tasted better and was likely healthier (homogenized milk contains fat globules small enough to directly absorb into the bloodstream without digestion, possibly contributing to heart disease).
Do you have a source for the fat molecules bit? That is a wild assertion, crazy if true. But I’m pretty sure fat doesn’t work like that.
Have been looking for a reputable source on that - busy on work projects. Might be something that has been shown to be bunk at this point. I did, however, find a few recent interesting papers characterizing the physical structural changes that occur with homogenization. IIRC, the average globule size gets reduced to ~1μm in diameter.
Okay so it’s false information, that’s what you’re saying.
I was thinking the same thing. Fat isn’t water (read:blood) soluble, and I have a hard time imagining any significant amount emulsing into your blood stream
Indeed. It is worth noting that fat globules in dairy aren’t JUST lipid. They are really a mixture of lipids, glycolipids, proteins, and other stuff. The glycolipids and proteins have polar and non-polar parts and organize into a membrane around the non-polar (hydrophobic) lipid fraction, keeping it from precipitating out of solution. Effectively, milk fat globules come with their own emulsifiers.
Cardboard cartons are compostable.
I dont think any liquids are sold in cardboard. It woukd leak. Usually its lined with plastic, so no longer compostable.
But glass cab be reused.
What about cardboard lined with natural wax?
No no, cardboard lined with glass 🤣
I don’t think cardboard recycling can tolerate anything like that
No, but it would be compostable. And renewables depending on the wax source (eg soy)
Cardboard cartons are lined with plastic.
So Canadians are giving up on milk and just drinking maple syrup now? Sweet!
I once made the mistake of telling my american coworkers that I buy over a gallon of fresh maple syrup from a local sugar shack each year and I was excited for spring because I was running low… I think I warped their perception of the canadian diet.
I tried explaining this to some Australian friends online and they thought I was trolling.
The crazy part is, I don’t consume maple syrup that often. But when I do, it’s always way too much.
It makes a good salad dressing when mixed with balsamic vinegar and oil. Also a decent BBQ sauce of Ketchup, Mustard, Soy Sauce, and Maple Syrup
My wife has a mean marinade using maple syrup. I love to use it with chicken thighs I throw on the barbecue for that sweet caramelization.
Nice. It is also good mixed into vodka :)
I have bottles of Sortilège (maple whiskey) and a Tomahawk maple cream (similar to Bailey’s) on the kitchen bar. I don’t even like whiskey usually, but with maple syrup everything becomes good I guess
Hmm, never tried Tomahawk. I will look for that.
Name checks out.
As an American, I am jealous.
We know in our hearts it’s not true. But we cling to what little magic remains in our minds and hearts and enjoy the fantasy that it is true.
Then if it helps, here are a few things I use it for: crepes, pancakes, French toast, lattes, coffee, maple whipped cream, oatmeal (maple and cream make a mean porridge), I fry eggs in maple syrup and butter, use it in icing, add it to salad dressing, make a glaze from it, sugar/pecan pie tarts, instead of syrup in cocktails, I’ll use it as a topping on ice cream…
It was the primary sweetener in Canada until cane sugar took over, so anything that needs sugar or brown sugar you can substitute maple for.
I usually buy 4L which lasts a year.
I think this is what ended it in AB. People just stopped buying it and bought jugs instead.
Instead of buying 4L (they are in 3 bags) of milk for $7, you will need to buy 2x 2L tetrapak at $5 each.
It’s just for money that they are ending bags.
Or dont buy cow pus anymore
I just had a shower thought, probably dumb and I am tired, but how about pipes to deliver regular liquids/fluids? 🤔
I think I read somewhere in Germany brewery would have pipes to bars delivering a continuous supply of beer.
Now let’s do that with ultrafiltered and/or ultra-high-temperature milk (less prone to spoiling).
How about adding pipes for beer (or some other alcohol or wine), cooking oil (whichever most suitable), and any other frequently used liquid I forgot?
If spoilage is well controlled, would that be a less energy intensive distribution method?
Just imagine the initial costs and maintenance costs of those pipes. It’s already expensive routing water for people’s houses. It’s much less costly to do what was done in the past and have regular deliveries for those products in a reusable glass container and regular pickups of those containers. You also wouldn’t really get a choice on the variant of the liquid you want like the type of beer, oil, or milk since everyone has their own preference or needs like with allergies.
Imagine if someone moves into a new house with a beer service line installed and they don’t drink beer. The beer in that line would go bad and get really disgusting and probably contaminate beer in the rest of the line. The same goes for milk too. Imagine how disgusting a pipe filled with months old milk would be. Even ultra high temperature pasteurization won’t save it. Imagine if you get a leak in your milk or beer pipe. Imagine if gets too cold or hot for the liquid and you get really warm beer out of the line or a slushy beer solution.
If you can guarantee those service lines will be used regularly, then I can see it being worth it since the maintenance costs and installation costs would be outweighed by the savings. Beer lines from a brewery to bars makes sense since the bars will be regularly going through a constant supply of beer. But on a regular consumer level, it’s not worth it.
Tl;dr It’s a logistical nightmare.
It’s also a health nightmare. Beer and oil are some of the unhealthiest liquids you can consume (for different reasons, and in excessive quantities obviously), and having a functionality unlimited supply of them directly to your home would wreak havoc on the health of people with low self control or addiction issues. Like imagine an alcoholic living with the prospect of unlimited beer they could access at literally any time they wanted. That would be hell for them.
If we’re piping allergens straight into people’s homes, might as well have another one for peanut butter.
Keen for beer plumbing.
It’s been proposed. Do a search for “soup tubes.”
How will our kids get their daily dose of microplastics!!!
Don’t worry, they don’t have to try, it’s likely in well water at this point. Guaranteed most of your store bought food probably has it too.
That’s how you get your daily dose of Vitamin P.
Bottled water? Most mustards and ketchups? Or well, any liquids in a plastic container? They now sell even olive oil in plastic bottles. I avoid them like the plague. We all should.
I prefer kegged milk myself
You don’t take your milk with an IV while you sleep? Weirdo!
Milk on tap? Sign me up!
Ooohh… With a nitro dispense system, yes please.
Don’t make me try this … Carbonated milk was inexplicably revolting but nitrogen may actually work.
You’d need a creamer nozzle (like used for Guinness Draft) and a very cold line chiller, but it just might work. Kegging the milk would be the hard part, but it could be done.
With all the price gouging happening and shrinkflation, changing consumer habits could spell the end of food.
You could always just eat the rich!
Lemmy comment
They’re rotten toxic messes, though
So is chemotherapy, but something this malignant merits extreme interventions.
You guys drink milk out of bags? We use glass, plastic, or cardboard jugs down in the States.
Some places do things a bit differently. More news at 11
In eastern Canada. I’ve never even seen it in western Canada.
Yea, its shipped in a rectangular bag, it goes into a mulk holder that holds the bag snug and you snip the corner off so it pours like a spout. The jug that holds it provides the handle and stability for the bag. When the bag is empty, toss it, put the next bag in.
Is the bag held really well by the milk holder? I’d always worry about the bag tipping out of the milk holder, while pouring.
Well enough. The bag of milk forces enough air that it’s basically suction held until the milk’s almost gone.
That sounds like a pretty good system once you have the jug, assuming those bags don’t look like jellyfish to sea turtles.
It’s not even all of Canada, just Ontario, Quebec, and the maritimes
Is this… Milk outside a bag of milk outside a bag of milk…?
It’s funny we have no issues drinking milk from any animal, but people would be grossed out knowing it’s milk from a human breast, and wouldn’t drink it.
What I’m wondering is, we have made strides to synthetically make milk with the use of yeast to make the proteins. So theoretically, we could make any milk. Why are we making cows milk this way?
It’s funny we have no issues drinking milk from any animal
Bruh we definitely have issues drinking milk from other animals.
Have you ever seen anyone drink Dog Milk? Cat Milk? Possum Milk? Pangolin Milk? Motherfuckin… Platypus Milk? They all mammals.
Oh yeah hit me with that shot of platypus milk. 🤤
bagged milk is a pretty wild concept to me, but obviously there are a lot of facets of american life that are fucking bonkers to everyone else (and lots of us) so I cant really speak to it
Bagged milk was available in MB in the late 80s/early 90s, but it disappeared some time after that.
Is it “changing consumer preferences”, or is it the industry seeing an opportunity for shrinkflation.
Clearly it’s the shrinkflation
Personally, I stopped buying milk. My daughter has a dairy allergy but I used to buy almond milk for her and dairy milk for myself, but I’ve switched to just almond milk for both of us to reduce my contribution to the beef industry. I’ll still buy some dairy products like cheese and ice cream, but generally am trying to minimize my demand.
This.
