I wonder how many former pro-lifers this will create as people watch their younger siblings, cousins, and other loved one’s childhoods have their lives utterly ruined because they bought into theocratic propaganda about “the unborn”.
Every time something like this happens it should be proof that it was about control and cruelty towards women and girls.
Less than you think. These people do not hold punches with family. They might even be harsher on their own family since they “should know better” and “weren’t raised like that”.
On the LGBTQ front, families have done more damage to them than any random individuals ever did. These people will not hold back at calling their children whores for getting pregnant even by rape.
I’m operating on the basis that most people, do in fact, love their family members and want them to live happy, fruitful lives. If someone doesn’t want that for their loved ones then what I’m saying wouldn’t apply. Someone who is “normal” but not radicalized, in the sense that they may be reflective of society’s inherent prejudices and have views shaped by them, but are repulsed by overt displays of racism/sexism, would probably be horrified.
I disagree. The internet distorts people’s perceptions. “Normal” people support reproductive rights, no-fault divorce, and other common targets of the religious right because that’s what’s in line with how they actually and practically live their lives. Most people are mortified to hear about a 13-year-old being forced to give birth, that’s why the people who oppose abortion have all sorts of excuses (or outright claim the stories are fake) in these scenarios because they know what they’re defending is shocking to normal, well-adjusted people.
Unfortunately with the way elections are set up, it doesn’t properly show the will of the people. A winner takes all for congressional seats I’d say generally push only the extremes to the forefront.
There should be ranked choice voting to allow a better chance for third parties and to have a better allocation of representatives of what the people actually think and want.
Then you should be encouraged, every time it’s been on the ballot, abortion has been protected or expanded since roe was struck down. Just last week, Ohio voted down an amendment meant to make it harder for a pro-choice amendment legalizing abortion this November, which is also expected to pass. Politicians are acting in spite of voters.
I sort of believe that at any given moment, most countries host between 15-30% of its population that could be considered fascist. This isn’t a problem with a civically engaged populace that can easily take part in elections, which is precisely why the right wing wants to control the “quality of voter” and make it into a privilege, not a right.
The US in particular has structural problems that have, since it’s inception, unfairly benefited the most reactionary segments of the US population, more so than even other liberal democracies.
Not the people I’m talking about. Far more people hold partially formed, vague opinions about these things than believe in the Christian rights view entirely.
I think that many people identify as pro life are simply ignorant, so if I want to change that, I’m not gonna get very far by calling them anti-choice because they’ll immediately shift into the defensive.
The people who wouldn’t be swayed would fall into either the hypocritical category above, or are the people who would actually would cruelly force a family member to go through something akin to what happened in the article above, because they believe in the “blessing” or because they’re also forcing their kid to marry the rapist, but I’m referring to people who are otherwise well-adjusted but are ignorant of the wider world and have a sanitised view of abortion as something “out there” and “far away” from their life.
I wonder how many former pro-lifers this will create as people watch their younger siblings, cousins, and other loved one’s childhoods have their lives utterly ruined because they bought into theocratic propaganda about “the unborn”.
Every time something like this happens it should be proof that it was about control and cruelty towards women and girls.
Less than you think. These people do not hold punches with family. They might even be harsher on their own family since they “should know better” and “weren’t raised like that”.
On the LGBTQ front, families have done more damage to them than any random individuals ever did. These people will not hold back at calling their children whores for getting pregnant even by rape.
I’m operating on the basis that most people, do in fact, love their family members and want them to live happy, fruitful lives. If someone doesn’t want that for their loved ones then what I’m saying wouldn’t apply. Someone who is “normal” but not radicalized, in the sense that they may be reflective of society’s inherent prejudices and have views shaped by them, but are repulsed by overt displays of racism/sexism, would probably be horrified.
I think you would be sadly disappointed by the number of ‘normal’ parents in the world.
I disagree. The internet distorts people’s perceptions. “Normal” people support reproductive rights, no-fault divorce, and other common targets of the religious right because that’s what’s in line with how they actually and practically live their lives. Most people are mortified to hear about a 13-year-old being forced to give birth, that’s why the people who oppose abortion have all sorts of excuses (or outright claim the stories are fake) in these scenarios because they know what they’re defending is shocking to normal, well-adjusted people.
It’s not the internet we’re basing our perceptions on. It’s election results.
Unfortunately with the way elections are set up, it doesn’t properly show the will of the people. A winner takes all for congressional seats I’d say generally push only the extremes to the forefront.
There should be ranked choice voting to allow a better chance for third parties and to have a better allocation of representatives of what the people actually think and want.
Then you should be encouraged, every time it’s been on the ballot, abortion has been protected or expanded since roe was struck down. Just last week, Ohio voted down an amendment meant to make it harder for a pro-choice amendment legalizing abortion this November, which is also expected to pass. Politicians are acting in spite of voters.
I’m somewhat encouraged, but there are still far too many fascist voters for my comfort.
I sort of believe that at any given moment, most countries host between 15-30% of its population that could be considered fascist. This isn’t a problem with a civically engaged populace that can easily take part in elections, which is precisely why the right wing wants to control the “quality of voter” and make it into a privilege, not a right.
The US in particular has structural problems that have, since it’s inception, unfairly benefited the most reactionary segments of the US population, more so than even other liberal democracies.
Love for them is synonym of keeping the baby even after rape. The baby is a gift of god even after a rape.
It’s disgusting but people really think like that after being brainwashed by the GOP and religion.
Not the people I’m talking about. Far more people hold partially formed, vague opinions about these things than believe in the Christian rights view entirely.
Quit saying “pro-life”. The very name they use for themselves is a disgusting lie.
I think that many people identify as pro life are simply ignorant, so if I want to change that, I’m not gonna get very far by calling them anti-choice because they’ll immediately shift into the defensive.
Oh you damn well know that these hypocrites would be the first one to go out of state on a mid-school year vacation to have their moral abortion.
Growing up in rural Midwest twenty plus years ago we all heard that gossip about a few questionable vacations.
The people who wouldn’t be swayed would fall into either the hypocritical category above, or are the people who would actually would cruelly force a family member to go through something akin to what happened in the article above, because they believe in the “blessing” or because they’re also forcing their kid to marry the rapist, but I’m referring to people who are otherwise well-adjusted but are ignorant of the wider world and have a sanitised view of abortion as something “out there” and “far away” from their life.
Anti-choice not pro-life. Pro-cruelty would also be acceptable.
Pro control as well.
I never say pro life and I correct everyone who ever does. Then I ask to list off the things that make them pro life and it doesn’t exist
I believe they will defend it since they literally see that fetus as a human being, thus an abortion is immoral in any and all situations.
Only the most radicalized of people, which I’m explicitly not referring to.