This is another post that alerted me of this.
https://lemmy.world/post/13287681
And here is the modlog:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveCommunity
Just a quick update, lemmy.world has posted an update that explains their decision here: https://lemmy.world/post/13319613
TLDR is that the person who removed the community is fairly new to the mod team and didn’t realize there was a bit of a history to this situation. Also, looks like they are sticking with the decision this time around though.
Please don’t harass the lemmy.world admins/mods though - if you don’t like the situation you are free to register here or on another instance. And if you aren’t a lemmy.world user, then this doesn’t affect you at all.
I’m proud of our community here, and it’s their loss, not ours!
Lemmy world mods are a joke.
this sounds familiar.
and some of their admins (Im looking at you Antik)
Guess who just created a second account 👍
Would be nice if there was a Firefox extension or something to ‘merge accounts’ as a workaround. Make things a little easier in situations like this.
there is Lemmy handshake which syncs your communities on mobile, but welcome to db
Oh that’s pretty neat, haven’t seen it! Thanks for the tip
I did the same. Fuck that noise.
The translation is, “It wasn’t us don’t get angry, but also it kind of was one of us and also we are sticking by the decision so it may as well have been us.” I don’t really see that it matters if the story is true - in the best possible case they’re just saying that they don’t have a way of setting policies and having those policies be followed.
If we’ve learned anything from centralised platforms it’s that size doesn’t protect platforms from the consequences of making bad decisions.
how does reddit have /r/piracy but lemmy.world doesn’t?
lol
.world has one disadvantage: It has to follow the laws of the Netherlands, Finland AND Germany.
So theoretically, if something’s legal for the Dutch and Finns but illegal in Germany, it’s not ok on .world. I believe it used to be smaller but I think they expanded admin teams? Idk how a single non profit website is somehow beholden to the laws of 3 separate countries.
It would be hilarious if they expanded this further. They add a country where alcohol sale is illegal? Recommendations for cocktails are now against TOS. For all. Add Singapore? Oops, discussing procurement of chewing gum is now against TOS. USA? Kinder Surprise is against TOS.
Expand it to Australia and we’ll give you THE BOOT!
I’m also gonna jump instances and gonna donate more from time to time to dbzer0
I moved to lemm.ee from .world the last time they banned these communities, as a momentarily fix, never cared to look back as here was better managed, no censorship, quicker updates and no noticeable downtimes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
me too, enjoy seeing the occasional hexbear, ml, lemmygrad, etc
Honestly, seeing enough of their posts and discussions over the months turned me from left-leaning to a full-blown commie
Same here. They also had issues with downtime around same time.
Yeah, it was very annoying because Lemmy.world was down very often, not their fault in most cases though.
Did this ever get fixed?
Did you import your .world data to .ee?
I did with a tool I found in GitHub long ago, I think that is not needed anymore as Lemmy has included a similar tool within the user web page settings.
Oh really? How do I find this?
If any admins of lemmy.world are around, I created c/westcoastedm for the explicit reason of sharing copyright protected music. Can you ban it too? Wouldn’t want to get you guys in trouble with mommy and daddy.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !westcoastedm@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Absolute joke instance lmao.
Would be a good time to finally leave .world behind. That instance is way too big
So did I miss a setting where an instance can ban remote communities for its user base? I know a user can ban individual communities now but I didn’t realize it could be done at an instance level for all users of that instance.
Just like you can defederate from an instance, you can selectively defederate from parts of that instance.
That’s new and well warranted from when I joined
The speed that this happened suggests they might have gotten spooked by something. Put down the pitchforks mates and give them a chance to explain first.
They got lawyered maybe.
I’m doubtful
They’ve just posted.
It’s not a good explanation. The only thing that changed was their own minds.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they got some personally delivered letters from the legal department of a big media company, given that they blocked visibility to some magazines on other servers.
Per https://lemmy.world/post/13320356, they got a takedown notice and started going through everything with a fine toothed comb.
If there’s anything they should be spooked by, it’s the pitchforks!
Ill take a pitchfork in the guts any day if it keeps me away from being a debt slave to Disney for the rest of my life.
Don’t you guys have an admin chat group. Or at least you guys would have some way of keeping in touch since this has happened before.
We do, in fact. They never gave a heads-up, and none has responded until now. I found about this from this post
That’s unfortunate.
Well at least they honored their commitments /s
To be fair they do say they “need to be” transparent, not that they were going to be :p
“Just a heads up for when we do this again: we know that it sucks, and we are doing it anyway.”
🤣
because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.
It’s funny because someone on their team started banning people from that thread for disagreeing with their stance then when called out for it they quietly changed the instance bans for community bans, in an awesome display of pure pettiness one would normally see on Reddit.
When I described the previous removal as LW having a feud with dbzer0, that was why.
😞 🧑🌾
Sigh.
On the up side, if anyone wants in, they are free to create accounts on other instances
Any good pro piracy instances?
Yepp - the one this community is on 🏴☠️
The part that annoys me is that this was done silently even though last time they said they would ask their users. Hopefully it was just an admin that didn’t get the last memo.
Edit: the community -> their users
I suspect something involving law enforcement or legal. Still would love if LW admins updated on this.
Indeed, especially with 0.19 that allows you to migrate your subs and block lists in two clicks
Wish that was around when I moved from lemmy.world to lemm.ee some time ago. It would have saved me a bit of time. Nice that it’s there for the future, though.
Glowies
WTF is a glowie?
It refers to how obvious undercover agents can be in online forums. So obvious that they glow
Ta.
A paranoidal schizophrenic and a single dev of Temple OS thought thar he’s watched and messed with by federal agencies. He knew, because he could see a glowing aura around them undercover agents. After his ramblings about it, 4chan boards users who watched his streams as a lolcow (a person of interest who can be milked for lulz) took this slang term from him. Then it spread everywhere.
Down the Rabbit Hole episode about him and his slow sad demise: https://youtu.be/UCgoxQCf5Jg?si=JlPs70O5gQCvau2z
The CIA got him in the end.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://piped.video/UCgoxQCf5Jg?si=JlPs70O5gQCvau2z
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Ta.
Luckily it doesn’t affect anything beyond people who insist on using only one instances (world). Glad to have dbzer0 around.
I have four accounts on the four instances that host communities I am interested in.
It’s a mild pain and definitely not what we were promised, but I guess that’s the only way federation can really work in practice (especially considering when an instance is blocked user on the blocker side just continue to see it frozen in time, with no warning as to what’s going on)
I think a solution would be to have instances without communities.
It sucks, but I’m really trying to find instances with the most federation. I’d rather censor things myself than to have some useful idiot do it for me.
“Instance A blocked instance B, so now we have to use instance C to communicate with both.” Seems kind of roundabout, which is why I’m looking for the ‘ever-C’ instance that federates with the most.
I mean, the real end solution is to host your own server. Then you can federate/defederate with whoever the hell you want. As long as you don’t do anything to get banned from a specific instance, you’ll be fine.
But that’s more work than most people are willing to put into a Reddit clone.
The issue is that depending on where the Instance is located can mean that the person is liable for the content on their instance, or at least some corps will try to take them to court over that.
It would be really nice to have something you’ve described, but then who hosts the community and becomes liable?
Someone’s always going to be liable, that’s unavoidable.
I’m just spitballing ideas for how we can always connect to the servers we want to.
@Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com hit the nail on the head. Self-hosting would be the end goal, but it’s too much of a hassle for most people to go through.
So a few servers that exist solely to connect with the fediverse would be ideal for those people.
It’s a mild pain and definitely not what we were promised
I think this is precisely what the ActivityPub model of federation promised, actually 😅
Same. Beehaw is my main, but I also have a Kbin account (which I know is technically different), and then a LW account, which I almost never sign into.
Even my Mastodon account is separate. It’s fine this way. I don’t need everything on one account. With a password manager, it’s not like I have to remember passwords anyway.
Are the 4 instances defederated from eachother? If they aren’t then you could just have 2 accounts
Best play, run your own instance and federate with whoever you want :D
Takes away some of the anonymity though, even with domain registrar obfuscation etc., they’d probably disclose the owner to a request from whatever authority comes knocking. And if you’re based in a jurisdiction where piracy is explicitly forbidden, federating with db0 and effectively co-hosting links to prohibited content might open a whole other can of worms. And not everyone is technically competent enough to run and maintain an instance, even if the initial setup works out with one of the how-to’s.
and if you’re really technical and really want to you can even bypass other people’s defederation attempts against you.
You ever get the feeling for a flowchart?
Someone please make one.
If we’re to have any chance at convincing more Reddit users to join the Fediverse, the main Lemmy and Kbin instances need to stick together. While the piracy community being among the biggest arguably doesn’t make for great optics (having a greater variety of communities above the 50k user mark would help bring more users to Lemmy), a fragmented federation only helps Reddit. Beyond that, this community has rules in place to ensure that posts stick to the discussion of piracy, and not piracy itself.
While the piracy community being among the biggest arguably doesn’t make for great optics
I’d argue otherwise. It is great optics to have a thriving piracy community. It keeps the corporate boot lickers out, and attracts the kind of crowd that we should want on Lemmy.
While it’s great to have a thriving piracy community, it being one of the only thriving ones inevitably makes potential users associate the platform with it and convinces them to either choose another Reddit alternative or simply avoid the inconvenience of switching platforms. While we may disagree with them, the failure of the Reddit blackout demonstrated that they make up the lion’s share of users from large communities that have yet to materialize here. Better to have many communities with a diversity of opinions than only a handful of echo chambers.
who cares?
For me it’s about all the subreddits that didn’t migrate to Lemmy, and the ghost town feeling caused by only having 55,000 monthly users versus Reddit’s 850 million. With Lemmy’s active user count slowly dropping instead of rising, everything needs to be done to bring more redditors to Lemmy, whether they are supporters of piracy or not.
before there was reddit there were message boards and these message boards tended to be pretty small and niche. They would have low thousands of users, if that. I don’t think having low user counts is something to be afraid of - especially for sites run and paid for by volunteers.
Message boards like that have dedicated userbases for their subject matter though, something that is missing on Lemmy for most subject matters. Since I’d like to be on Lemmy for more than just, for my interests at least, a piracy message board, more users are needed to build interest in communities that weren’t promoted by a subreddit.
But a federation is fragmentation. If the only thing that doesn’t help reddit is another centralized system, then that’s really just a claim that private ownership of the internet is good, actually, so long as we like the owners.
I assume they mean more like what’s happening on Mastodon, where instances mass defederate other instances for not having the same instances defederated
Nah I don’t think I’d want Lemmy to attract anti-piracy people. This being the largest instance is a good filter imo.
Defederation really should be last resort, a lot of admin use it as a first one. (Even dbzer0 censors 187 instances)
The vast majority of those (on the dbzer0 list) are obviously just copied from someone’s medium-sized mastodon blocklist, which in this case mostly includes instances that definitely deserve it. I recognize only a few dubious choices in there, and none that are completely indefensible.
The instances in our blocklist are based on the fediseer. It’s mostly CSAM, Bigoted and potentiall spam instances.
The current fediseer censured list seems much larger and correspondingly more problematic in places. You’ve started out with a good list, hope you exercise due caution in adding to it.
The fediseer censure list is relative to which instances you’re referencing. There’s no absolute “fediseer censure list”
Yeah, sorry, I’ve never really looked at it before. But its web UI just shows them all as one big list. I wouldn’t mind seeing a list of those censured by more than 10 instances, or all of a selected group of instances… is that in the API?
Yes you can do that in the API, as well as filter by tags. You can also select by your instance reference on the UI
