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    Sorry, I set the bar too low.

    Feasible plans for a classless society day one.

    How far have they gotten in that century? Because honestly the whole “at it for a century” thing reeks of failure.

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      How far have they gotten in that century? Because honestly the whole “at it for a century” thing reeks of failure.

      they got the fucking arch duke (and dozens of other heads of state). they blew up wallstreet. i think these are pretty big accomplishments.

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        Oh, wow, so they killed some people and bombed wall street.

        How successful was that in achieving their political objectives?

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            Okay, so, the end result of inspiring people means that their political project succeeded? Their end goal was to inspire people? I thought their end goal was a classless, stateless society?

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              I thought their end goal was a classless, stateless society?

              right, but since we (they) eschew(ed) prefigurative theories, we (they) only organized to fight. the actual structure of society is up to the people who live in the world that we (they) make possible.

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      Sorry, I set the bar too low.

      Feasible plans for a classless society day one.

      nothing like moving the goalposts to end the workday.

      i’m opposed to prefigurative theories of revolution. we don’t know what society will look like in every corner of the world without oppression. we do know what oppression is, and we can fight it.

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        we do know what oppression is, and we can fight it.

        You’re against concentration of power. Can you name a single revolution that succeeded without some concentrated power, democratically concentrated or otherwise?

        It seems like you want to fight and lose.