We have plenty of those domestically already. People are people, and y’all qaeda down there isn’t exactly the shining example of civilization you think it is.
Lol no, El Salvador. It seems these days “migrants” are just passing through Mexico to get to the US. Why don’t they just stay in Mexico since they’re already there, speak the language, and share many values?
I’m not fan of the police, but the videos and stories you see are not all police. There’s certainly a systemic problem with police but that doesn’t mean they’re more dangerous than violent criminal gangs.
You seem to have missed the point. The gun laws already prohibit them from owning guns but they do it anyway and commit crimes. No additional gun laws will suddenly make criminals obey the law.
But somehow gun laws work in every other civilised country… Odd.
Well if you are sure it’s not the gun laws then instead fix the other laws which are putting people in poverty and creating the gangs.
https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-crime-what-research-says (The Cato institute is a libertarian institute. Libertarian should mean socially liberal, including more friendly with immigrants and more towards open borders, but they’re usually conservative.)
I’m not going to spend all day finding you more. It’s easy to research. I doubt it matters how many sources I provide, but you can find whichever ones you like. There’s plenty of data on it.
Like I said, I doubt it matters what evidence I provide. You’ll find a way to justify your beliefs instead of adjusting them as you get new evidence. It’s the typical human response. We like to act like humans are rational, but the vast majority of people the majority of the time are driven by emotion. We’d rather ignore evidence if it forces us to reconsider our views.
Beliefs do not make a person. It will not hurt to change them. You’ll still be yourself. It doesn’t mean anything bad that you changed your beliefs, really it only means something good. It means they you can consider new information and adjust to it, instead of ignoring it which would be bad.
Ah yes, a person’s value as a human being is reduced to nothing the second they cross an imaginary line decided by folks that have long since died. Makes perfect sense. /s
I share your sentiment however despite the “looks” the actual line does not matter much. It’s about what you have to do to gain rights. Is traveling across some line and being desperate enough to grant this person rights? (Like right to work/live in some community/country)? Or are some additional hoops needed? If they’re needed why should anybody allow other people rights just for traveling across the line? Isn’t it unfair to these who spent years of work trying to go through proper procedure? Maybe it’s okay if somebody is desperate? But then what is the measure of “desperate” - it’s a pretty unclear term.
That’s a very simplistic and apathetic response to a human being dying …
I bet you support the death penalty for people that steal a loaf of bread to feed their children as well.
The reality is that it’s a very complex issue and while Texas has the right to secure it’s borders a humans right to live is a little more important me thinks.
At the size of a state government deaths are statistics. And funny you should mention stealing. In another thread I was arguing that stealing is immoral and should face punishment, even food. Just like going hungry has programs to help, so does immigration have processes to go through to do it legally.
Don’t steal and don’t cross sovereign borders without permission. There are consequences to actions. Don’t start crying because someone suffered the consequences.
Ah yes, why don’t they just use those vague programs you alluded to?
I’m sure you can tell all of us what those programs are and how easy they are to be eligible/apply through. Right? I mean certainly you know what these programs are and wouldn’t just be assuming they’re in place and functional. After all, a blatant assumption like that would make you an utter jackass if it turned out those programs weren’t actually available for everyone or were needlessly restrictive/difficult.
Suffered the consequences of what, exactly? The consequences of being born into a world that doesn’t provide for them? The consequences of unequal access to opportunity?
Guess then we should get to shoving some consequences your way for being a dick. Your speech is harmful, and you don’t deserve clean food or water or a warm place to sleep.
Get our of here with your garbage. Your life is not more valuable than ANYONE elses.
You seem to have misunderstood what I was arguing against. I’ve said nothing about inequality or difficulty of life anywhere. Merely that crossing borders illegally is illegal and wrong.
Imagine swimming in a river in your own country and then you get caught up in a net and die while still in your country due to Texas illegally setting up their own border wall that isn’t even in Texas anymore. Texas should should hire this guy to go to the river and whenever kids drown trying to just enjoy themselves he is there but always wait 5 minutes to make sure the Mexicans drowned since he obviously hates them and then unties them, bring them up to shore, and then yell this in their face. I think he would gladly take the job all the while moving back and fourth illegally from the Mexico and Texas border just to yell at dead Mexicans
I can’t imagine what situation you grew up in to have so much hate in your heart. What you and a shit to of racists don’t understand is that if we had all the immigrants in America disappear, the labor force, and crops for example would shit the bed so fast. The immigrants all do the jobs you fuckers won’t do and you don’t actually care enough to learn on how much of the country they hold on their back. It’s always simple though, instead of actual being about “America” and filling the gaps you would just complain someone else needs to do these high labor intensive jobs
Go ahead and tell me how many were just swimming in the Rio Grande when they just so happened to get caught in the border defense when they weren’t actually trying to cross the border. I can guarantee it’s zero.
First off you’re so dumb dude. How about instead of intentionally killing others in an absolutely beautiful river we just enjoy it? Ever thought that idk, maybe, some of them genuinely just wanted a swim?
The more important part is that since you are so ‘MERICA🦅⛪🙏’ then why are you okay with these deaths while they are completely illegal and dong follow the constitution? Referenced
From this comment
I mean i figure since youre okay with that ill just go ahead and completely ignore laws to do whatever the hell i want to do. When did the constitution just become another ‘woke’ book to you that should be ignored?
You keep ignoring over half of my comments. Do you really think Texas of all places would put a buoy with a net but not create the net in such a way that it would tangle someone up? Are there any warnings about there being nets? How would you feel if Mexico set something that long up in the river but 80% of it was across the border?
It has been dangerous long before the barrier. The bouys are now an even more obvious obstruction visible from shore and should discourage people even further from risking their lives.
Thanks for the link. Maybe I’m just dumb but if I saw buoys in that situation I would simply think “border line” instead of “danger”. Putting a net there only makes it that more dangerous if the river really is that bad… A buoy would have completely sufficed. I also didn’t see anything about a warning of a net under the buoy. It honestly just seems like a completely trap to me
Honestly it came out a bit harsh but the point was that they’re doing very risky things knowing there are risks to their lives but they do it anyway. If a guy is dancing on a cliff and falls off you don’t blame the cliff.
In the water, so anyone trying to swim across would drown.
Don’t try to cross borders illegally. You get what you deserve.
I would rather have any number of undocumented immigrants here than people like you.
And some of them would gladly take your life if it meant they got it to be part of the cool kids club. (Gang initiations)
We have plenty of those domestically already. People are people, and y’all qaeda down there isn’t exactly the shining example of civilization you think it is.
I honestly don’t know if you’re referring to illegal immigrants or the police in America.
I’m more worried about the police killing me than an illegal immigrant, but that’s because I live in the real world.
Where is MS13 from?
The US, actually. Then exported to Central America by irresponsible US deportations.
It was a gang of immigrants who were less Americans and more El Salvadorans it seems since they brought it home.
Mexico, but where is the blue badge gang from?
One of them is a real threat to average Americans, and hint: it isn’t ms13.
Lol no, El Salvador. It seems these days “migrants” are just passing through Mexico to get to the US. Why don’t they just stay in Mexico since they’re already there, speak the language, and share many values?
I’m not fan of the police, but the videos and stories you see are not all police. There’s certainly a systemic problem with police but that doesn’t mean they’re more dangerous than violent criminal gangs.
So it’s “not all police” but any illegal immigrant is automatically ms13? Hypocrite much?
Big words coming from a guy who lives in a country where your own citizens are gunning down others every day multiple times per day.
Maybe try to fix your own country first instead of blaming others?
Yeah, gang crime. The vast vast majority of gun deaths in America, aside from suicides are known criminals who shouldn’t own guns in the first place.
Then fix your gun laws
You seem to have missed the point. The gun laws already prohibit them from owning guns but they do it anyway and commit crimes. No additional gun laws will suddenly make criminals obey the law.
But somehow gun laws work in every other civilised country… Odd.
Well if you are sure it’s not the gun laws then instead fix the other laws which are putting people in poverty and creating the gangs.
Immigrants are, on average, less violent and more productive than the average American. I say we toss you out and trade up.
Source on that? And make sure it’s Illegal immigrants not all immigrants.
Sure. Here’s a few: https://news.wisc.edu/undocumented-immigrants-far-less-likely-to-commit-crimes-in-u-s-than-citizens/
https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-crime-what-research-says (The Cato institute is a libertarian institute. Libertarian should mean socially liberal, including more friendly with immigrants and more towards open borders, but they’re usually conservative.)
I’m not going to spend all day finding you more. It’s easy to research. I doubt it matters how many sources I provide, but you can find whichever ones you like. There’s plenty of data on it.
If you really think about it the crime rate of ILLEGAL aliens is 100%. Crossing the border illegally is a crime they have all committed.
Like I said, I doubt it matters what evidence I provide. You’ll find a way to justify your beliefs instead of adjusting them as you get new evidence. It’s the typical human response. We like to act like humans are rational, but the vast majority of people the majority of the time are driven by emotion. We’d rather ignore evidence if it forces us to reconsider our views.
Beliefs do not make a person. It will not hurt to change them. You’ll still be yourself. It doesn’t mean anything bad that you changed your beliefs, really it only means something good. It means they you can consider new information and adjust to it, instead of ignoring it which would be bad.
Have you ever jaywalked? Should you have been put to death for it?
Wait, when did we start talking about police?
Ah yes, a person’s value as a human being is reduced to nothing the second they cross an imaginary line decided by folks that have long since died. Makes perfect sense. /s
I share your sentiment however despite the “looks” the actual line does not matter much. It’s about what you have to do to gain rights. Is traveling across some line and being desperate enough to grant this person rights? (Like right to work/live in some community/country)? Or are some additional hoops needed? If they’re needed why should anybody allow other people rights just for traveling across the line? Isn’t it unfair to these who spent years of work trying to go through proper procedure? Maybe it’s okay if somebody is desperate? But then what is the measure of “desperate” - it’s a pretty unclear term.
I take it you disagree with the concept of countries?
“Hey man I’m not too stoked on ice cream”
“What do you have against brownies???”
That’s what you sound like.
They called borders imaginary. That kind of hints at their worldview.
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That’s a very simplistic and apathetic response to a human being dying …
I bet you support the death penalty for people that steal a loaf of bread to feed their children as well.
The reality is that it’s a very complex issue and while Texas has the right to secure it’s borders a humans right to live is a little more important me thinks.
At the size of a state government deaths are statistics. And funny you should mention stealing. In another thread I was arguing that stealing is immoral and should face punishment, even food. Just like going hungry has programs to help, so does immigration have processes to go through to do it legally.
Don’t steal and don’t cross sovereign borders without permission. There are consequences to actions. Don’t start crying because someone suffered the consequences.
Ah yes, why don’t they just use those vague programs you alluded to?
I’m sure you can tell all of us what those programs are and how easy they are to be eligible/apply through. Right? I mean certainly you know what these programs are and wouldn’t just be assuming they’re in place and functional. After all, a blatant assumption like that would make you an utter jackass if it turned out those programs weren’t actually available for everyone or were needlessly restrictive/difficult.
SNAP, WIC, unemployment, food banks, meals on wheels, shelters, churches, etc. There’s a plethora of resources for the poor to get food.
Most of the things on your list you can’t get if you’re undocumented.
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Suffered the consequences of what, exactly? The consequences of being born into a world that doesn’t provide for them? The consequences of unequal access to opportunity?
Guess then we should get to shoving some consequences your way for being a dick. Your speech is harmful, and you don’t deserve clean food or water or a warm place to sleep.
Get our of here with your garbage. Your life is not more valuable than ANYONE elses.
That’s a pretty sweet straw man you just built there.
Academic language does not shelter you from the consequences of your speech.
You seem to have misunderstood what I was arguing against. I’ve said nothing about inequality or difficulty of life anywhere. Merely that crossing borders illegally is illegal and wrong.
Fun fact: It’s actually not illegal under international law if you are seeking refuge. Most countries are signatories to the Convention on Refugees.
The US is not, but it’s really a minority on this issue.
Imagine swimming in a river in your own country and then you get caught up in a net and die while still in your country due to Texas illegally setting up their own border wall that isn’t even in Texas anymore. Texas should should hire this guy to go to the river and whenever kids drown trying to just enjoy themselves he is there but always wait 5 minutes to make sure the Mexicans drowned since he obviously hates them and then unties them, bring them up to shore, and then yell this in their face. I think he would gladly take the job all the while moving back and fourth illegally from the Mexico and Texas border just to yell at dead Mexicans
I can’t imagine what situation you grew up in to have so much hate in your heart. What you and a shit to of racists don’t understand is that if we had all the immigrants in America disappear, the labor force, and crops for example would shit the bed so fast. The immigrants all do the jobs you fuckers won’t do and you don’t actually care enough to learn on how much of the country they hold on their back. It’s always simple though, instead of actual being about “America” and filling the gaps you would just complain someone else needs to do these high labor intensive jobs
Go ahead and tell me how many were just swimming in the Rio Grande when they just so happened to get caught in the border defense when they weren’t actually trying to cross the border. I can guarantee it’s zero.
First off you’re so dumb dude. How about instead of intentionally killing others in an absolutely beautiful river we just enjoy it? Ever thought that idk, maybe, some of them genuinely just wanted a swim?
The more important part is that since you are so ‘MERICA🦅⛪🙏’ then why are you okay with these deaths while they are completely illegal and dong follow the constitution? Referenced From this comment
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a43a23ea-5314-4b82-9493-d02761e77e99.jpeg
I mean i figure since youre okay with that ill just go ahead and completely ignore laws to do whatever the hell i want to do. When did the constitution just become another ‘woke’ book to you that should be ignored?
When did I say anyone was intentionally killed. If anything it could be viewed as suicide. They’re bright fucking orange aren’t they?
You keep ignoring over half of my comments. Do you really think Texas of all places would put a buoy with a net but not create the net in such a way that it would tangle someone up? Are there any warnings about there being nets? How would you feel if Mexico set something that long up in the river but 80% of it was across the border?
https://www.krgv.com/news/new-warning-signs-for-migrants-placed-along-the-rio-grande/
It has been dangerous long before the barrier. The bouys are now an even more obvious obstruction visible from shore and should discourage people even further from risking their lives.
Thanks for the link. Maybe I’m just dumb but if I saw buoys in that situation I would simply think “border line” instead of “danger”. Putting a net there only makes it that more dangerous if the river really is that bad… A buoy would have completely sufficed. I also didn’t see anything about a warning of a net under the buoy. It honestly just seems like a completely trap to me
thus spake the voice of privilege.
I agree that they’re criminals, shouldn’t be encouraged, and need to be deported, but death is a little much.
Honestly it came out a bit harsh but the point was that they’re doing very risky things knowing there are risks to their lives but they do it anyway. If a guy is dancing on a cliff and falls off you don’t blame the cliff.
Does the Texas government go around installing cliffs in places where they know people go dancing?
I’m sorry that you were unable to comprehend an analogy.
Not an analogy, T-Boner, that was a false equivalence. Sorry you are unable to comprehend basic English.
Kind of funny that you would try to insult me with a name I’ve literally used as an alt.
You make poor analogies
Wishing death on people is horrendous.
And so will you, one day, I’m sure
Well how else are Americans supposed to leave their shit hole country for Mexico?