After Israel killed seven aid workers in Gaza, the US says it has not found any incidents of Israel violating international humanitarian law in the past six months. An Al Jazeera probe concluded the World Central Kitchen vehicles were deliberately hit.

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    Love that americans are still worried about elections of all things as if anything other than organized violence will stop a capitalist government from committing genocide.

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      Israel is committing the genocide, not america. america is enabling them and thus it’s electorate can influence it’s actions, somewhat.
      the next election will influence the genocide in israel, the genocide in ukraine, and the upcoming genocide against trans people.

      throwing “capitalist” in there doesn’t make you deep. any economic system is capable of genocide.

      most americans are willfully ignorant, but not all of us.

      also, i don’t see whatever country you’re pretending to be from intervening… so maybe work on that

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        “Israel” is a US colony; it’s entire existence hinges on the latter.

        Its formation used common british colonization tactics [III], with companies literally named “Colonization Commission”, “Jewish Colonial Trust” and the like.

        Theodor Herzl, founder of the colonial ideology he called “zionism”, was himself also just a racist colonizer by his own admission, and saw it as bringing ‘civilization’ to ‘barbarians’ as the rest of Europe did when they were colonizing and enslaving Africa and Asia:

        “We should there form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe, which would have to guarantee our existence.” Source [II]

        Only difference now is that the US has been the de facto leader of the imperial core since WW2, no longer UK in Europe.

        And capitalist governments work for the interests and profit of capitalists rather than workers as is the reason for the genocide here (keeping the middle east unstable and unable to unite against imperialism with a colony right in the middle of Africa and Asia), so yes that does matter.

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          “Israel” is a US colony; it’s entire existence hinges on the latter.

          I think I disagree with this.

          Puerto Rico is a colony. There’s a very clear difference in how the empire treats colonies and how it treats extensions of itself. Israel, rather than being a colony, is actually just an extension of the US empire. It’s like the 51st state, it’s an equal partner in the imperial project.

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          you are grossly misinterpreting actions of several governments as american… israel was established post wwii for quite a few people with quite a few reasons.

          even if you wanted to mangle the definition of colony, Israel would still be a former colony and a sovereign nation now.

          but, what are your feelings about russia’s genocide in ukraine?

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              Because they are exposing your hypocrisy?

              It’s always funny to me how .ml users do these mental gymnastics every time they get called out and then throw around the “how dare you” faux outrage.

              I say funny, but it’s more sad how frequent and predictable it’s become lately.

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                  NOONE in this comment thread is denying the genocide of Palestine. They are both genocides. The fact that you guys can’t see that shows this huge fucking blindspot you have.

                  You invent your own narratives that don’t exist and attack the strawmen to justify your nonexistent battle, and when confronted with a piece of reality you guffaw and act like your staring at the banality of evil.

                  With that said, let’s be honest, if the .ml users that do this were truly after socialist / communist ideals, you’d be consistent and not astroturf for your fascist flavors of the month.

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                So youre saying we should stop sending arms and money to Russia?

                Wait, no that can’t be it, so we should send arms and money to Palestine? Based AF

                But to be serious though, the difference is a country has not brought up formal accusations of genocide in Ukraine before the ICJ. Also:

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            Love how you ignore everything they said and bring up something completely unrelated to derail the conversation lmao

            Edit: but, what are your feelings about the us colony’s genocide in palestine?

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        whatever country you’re pretending to be from

        The american chauvinist cannot comprehend people being from other countries

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        Israel is committing genocide with American bombs and American protection and American approval. This war could be ended if Biden just stopped giving them more bombs and stopped protecting Israel from the consequences of its actions. Israel is the 51st State, America’s unsinkable aircraft carrier, it’s an American genocide. We don’t get to hide behind a proxy and pretend we are not directly responsible.

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          This war could be ended if Biden just

          this is a tragically naive take on how things work.

          Israel is the 51st State, America’s unsinkable aircraft carrier, it’s an American genocide.

          now you’re just stringing nonsense together

          We don’t get to hide behind a proxy and pretend we are not directly responsible.

          “we”? oh, now you’re american… it’s not a proxy, they are doing what they want to do.
          if you paid attention a little, israel burn’s buildings down when they run low on bombs… they make their own guns, bullets, tanks, and sniper quad copters… this would not change without american support.

          but, aren’t you going to address the genocide in Ukraine? How do you feel about Russia’s genocide in Ukraine?

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      The #1 thing I’ve noticed this go round is how the best even the most dem pundits and supporters can come up with is “Yeah Biden does it but Trump will do it worse”

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        I’m not even convinced that’s true when it comes to this issue. Trump, at least, narcissistically cares about what people think of him enough that he could maybe be swayed by public opinion. Biden has been a hardline Zionist his entire career and sees backing Israel to the hilt despite the public outcry as a moral imperative.

        Besides, how do you get worse than eagerly aiding a genocide?

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          when Trump was in office, liberals at least pretended to care. They took COVID somewhat seriously, masked up out of spite, they paid lip service to the BLM protests. These past 4 years they’ve truly gone back to brunch. maybe if ol’ Mango Mussolini gets back in, they’ll pretend to give a shit again.

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          Yeah. I don’t know Trump would help this situation at all but it wouldn’t be this bullshit. That’s for sure. And I want to be very clear I do not and did not want a president trump.

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            Ttumo has explicitly said he thinks Israel needs to finish the job.

            Jesus Christ, inform yourself before you say shit like this.

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              Trump says a lot doesn’t mean him or his party would be doing the same if they were in this role lol.

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                If you want to believe that Ttunp is lying to you about his feelings towards Palestinians, than there is nothing I can say to change your mind.

                That is pure uninformed lunacy and you absolutely know better.

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                    So… You think the path to ending the genocide is get Trump elected and continue complaining and just hope it goes well?

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          Eagerly aiding a genocide while also doing one at home, but you know biden wouldn’t stop it if the fascists just did one, so he’s not really better than trump OK that either.

          At least if trump tries to genocide me, he’ll be using poorly primed hierarchal power and you’ll get a lot of mutinies. Like, a non-trump fasch genocide is blood in the streets, and I’m so fucking shit at that, so my odds are like 10% and its definitely a bad time. If trump orders it, There’s a 50/50 chance the local air force base mutinies and flips on him because poverty draft, and I either get s hellfire missile or I don’t.

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      americans are too chickenshit and comfortable to do anything than complain. i wish we were more like the french.

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        I thought that was what the 2nd Armament was for, but apparently it’s actually for killing school children.

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      I think all of us need to be keeping a list of accounts such as this one, advocating our websites users commit violence against the US government.

      This person is explicitly a terrorist, a government agent, an idiot, or a combination of all 3.

      Name and shame.

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          I didn’t realize not calling for terrorism on the open web made ma McCarthyite. Somebody just watched Good Night, and Good Luck in AP History, huh?

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            “those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”

            “Omg wtf JFK is a terrorist???” - you, apparently

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              Except you are calling out for an Oswald here, not a JFK.

              The sad thing is there might be somebody here stupid enough to fall for it. Doubtful, but maybe God is on your side tonight.

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                Lee Harvey Oswald was a single man, the poster you’re whining about is calling for mass organized action (that means with a lots of coordinated people). Try to keep up, you’re making yourself look like a clown here.

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                  Well Lee Harvey Oswald wasn’t stupid enough to advertise his violent rhetoricon open forums prior.

                  So ironically, I would probably find Oswald more credible than the person you are currently defending.

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        lol at this wannabe cop bootlicker

        Hey, you gonna file a report with your local intelligence branch about people on the internet mad at their governments?

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          If somebody accuses you of being a cop, maybe don’t start acting like a child and then immediately call them a cop.

          It just makes you look uncreative, on top of the other shortcoming previously mentioned.

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            I’m not that guy.

            You should definitely tell the police that people on the internet are making you feel bad though, call 911 asap!

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              What are the chances two completely separate not the same guys could stumble into the same conversation and be that obtuse?

              Fairly high!

              Best of luck to you in your future endeavors.

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                  Well, hey, if there is only 55,000 Lemmy users and you’re certain I am not one of you, than congrats, there is now two people here.

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                Wait, don’t give up on trying to convince people to document and rat on each other so easy!

                Come on, how else are the spooks gonna know who to target if we don’t form a circular firing squad?

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                  The fact that you are so desperate to act to maliciously towards somebody who isn’t the least bit affected or interested is kind of sad, don’t you think?

                  Naming and shaming malicious accounts calling for violence publicly is just good Lemmy civic duty. You having an issue with that and depicting it as something it isn’t says everything we need to know about you.

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                    Well, when you talk about taking notes on users and turning them in to the authorities as civic duty I definitely don’t think you’re a cop!