The vote isn’t decided by how many absolute votes someone gets. It’s decided by how many votes they get relative to their opponent. A vote for a third party candidate is a -1 to Biden’s absolute vote count, which is a +1 to Trump’s relative vote count, which, again, is what actually matters.
Funny how a vote for any 3rd party candidate is magically a vote against whoever you like most. Fuck off libtard, earn my vote don’t fucking browbeat me for it
Like real shit how does that logic work? This does nothing to explain how 3rd party = trump. By that logic it’s also a vote against trump (implying there’s actually logic here and not liberals just assuming they’re entitled to all the votes forever no matter what)
This is only aimed at people who would otherwise have voted for Biden. Anyone who would have otherwise voted for Trump, after everything that has happened, is a lost cause and isn’t worth any consideration at all
Total votes don’t matter. Trump has never won a popular election. Net votes matter.
If you live in a blue state go wild: follow your conscious. Live your dreams.
If you live in a swing state: practice harm reduction and vote for the less evil genocidal geezer. Because a vote for anyone besides the two is a vote favoring the worse option.
You still don’t seem to get it, every vote for a third party, is one more vote that Biden has to overcome to get to the majority, Trump doesn’t need to bother with this as his personality cult seemingly won’t fracture, thereby every third party vote fucks Biden over just a little bit more.
Now this isn’t directly adding to Trump’s total, but it’s fucking Biden by decreasing his, and anything that fucks over Biden will objectively help Trump.
My guess is they’re being intentionally obtuse. What an edgelord intellectual. Best to ignore and move on. Let them get their dopamine hits from pulling wings off a fly.
I realized after commenting that this was the same dude claiming that the Moscow Concert Attack was actually planned by the CIA or State Department or another US Org.
Who the fuck is telling people that smugness in the face of possible fascism, dictatorship, and oppression is an acceptable excuse for leftism. This shit is starting to get disgusting.
We’re talking specifically about people who want a more progressive candidate who won’t back a genocide. No, I don’t think such people are likely to vote for Trump.
People with leftist principles aren’t equally likely to support all candidates in an election. You have to take the sampling bias into account.
It’s typically a safe assumption as most of the time when people are talking about voting third party the third party candidate is most similar to the Democrat on the ballot.
But of course if the person wasn’t going to vote if the third party candidate wasn’t on the ballot then their lack of a vote is ensuring that the candidate they like the least has an easier time winning.
Something else that gets missed is that the GoP tends to be one solid voting block - They vote pretty monolithically. As such, it almost always benefits the GoP when one votes third party. It’s similar to why the GoP can get stuff passed when in power and the Dems can’t - In fighting and arguments split up votes for only one side, typically
Smartasses like OP like to make these types of statements — and they’ll refuse to acknowledge anything because they’ll always appeal to a literal claim which, by construction, cannot be. In this case, a vote for X is not literally a vote for Trump; it may be effectively, mathematically, or implicitly a vote for Trump, but because it is not literally voting for Trump they just smile like an inebriated donkey and say “nuh-uh not the same lol XD.”
The vote isn’t decided by how many absolute votes someone gets. It’s decided by how many votes they get relative to their opponent. A vote for a third party candidate is a -1 to Biden’s absolute vote count, which is a +1 to Trump’s relative vote count, which, again, is what actually matters.
Sounds like you won some money and +1 to his vote count. Oh? They were just being divisive and knew exactly what they were doing? Color me surprised.
Damn, I could really use a million dollars
Funny how a vote for any 3rd party candidate is magically a vote against whoever you like most. Fuck off libtard, earn my vote don’t fucking browbeat me for it
Like real shit how does that logic work? This does nothing to explain how 3rd party = trump. By that logic it’s also a vote against trump (implying there’s actually logic here and not liberals just assuming they’re entitled to all the votes forever no matter what)
This is only aimed at people who would otherwise have voted for Biden. Anyone who would have otherwise voted for Trump, after everything that has happened, is a lost cause and isn’t worth any consideration at all
That’s only true if one assumes the vote would have gone to Biden in the absence of third parties. Again, where is the TOTAL vote count for Trump +1?
Total votes don’t matter. Trump has never won a popular election. Net votes matter.
If you live in a blue state go wild: follow your conscious. Live your dreams.
If you live in a swing state: practice harm reduction and vote for the less evil genocidal geezer. Because a vote for anyone besides the two is a vote favoring the worse option.
Again, where is the TOTAL vote count for Trump +1?
State net is total for American Elections.
You still don’t seem to get it, every vote for a third party, is one more vote that Biden has to overcome to get to the majority, Trump doesn’t need to bother with this as his personality cult seemingly won’t fracture, thereby every third party vote fucks Biden over just a little bit more.
Now this isn’t directly adding to Trump’s total, but it’s fucking Biden by decreasing his, and anything that fucks over Biden will objectively help Trump.
My guess is they’re being intentionally obtuse. What an edgelord intellectual. Best to ignore and move on. Let them get their dopamine hits from pulling wings off a fly.
I realized after commenting that this was the same dude claiming that the Moscow Concert Attack was actually planned by the CIA or State Department or another US Org.
Shouldn’t have even bothered.
You are either misunderstanding what is actually important, or being obtuse in a plea for attention.
Enjoy the fall mate. Get your passport in order ;).
Who the fuck is telling people that smugness in the face of possible fascism, dictatorship, and oppression is an acceptable excuse for leftism. This shit is starting to get disgusting.
“Excuse for leftism” LOL
Mate, the libs like yourself are going to be the reason for Trump…
You can call me a Lib all you want, but having a good idea of what harm reduction is in politics doesn’t negate years of socialist activism.
Hell not having a good idea on what harm reduction in politics is negates efforts of socialist activism
Fuck, ain’t that the truth. I feel like if we internalized this more the movement would be far more ahead than it is now.
That’s only true if one assumes the vote would have gone to Biden in the absense of third parties.
It’s just as likely that the voter would have voted for nobody or Trump, so at best you are only 1/3rd correct.
This argument starts with the assumption that Biden is bad but Trump is worse. The goal is to minimize Trump’s relative score compared to Biden.
So there are 3 options:
Voting for neither or not voting is 1 point worse than voting for Biden.
We’re talking specifically about people who want a more progressive candidate who won’t back a genocide. No, I don’t think such people are likely to vote for Trump.
People with leftist principles aren’t equally likely to support all candidates in an election. You have to take the sampling bias into account.
This !!! I love seeing liberals just assume anyone who votes 3rd party would otherwise go blue
What third party is there that has such completely opposite politics to the Democratic Party so much that the vote wouldn’t be going blue.
Libertarians, Reform, Constitutionalist, and other Republican-lote groups don’t count*
It’s typically a safe assumption as most of the time when people are talking about voting third party the third party candidate is most similar to the Democrat on the ballot.
But of course if the person wasn’t going to vote if the third party candidate wasn’t on the ballot then their lack of a vote is ensuring that the candidate they like the least has an easier time winning.
Something else that gets missed is that the GoP tends to be one solid voting block - They vote pretty monolithically. As such, it almost always benefits the GoP when one votes third party. It’s similar to why the GoP can get stuff passed when in power and the Dems can’t - In fighting and arguments split up votes for only one side, typically
Another excellent point
alright @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com pay up 🤨🤨🤨
Smartasses like OP like to make these types of statements — and they’ll refuse to acknowledge anything because they’ll always appeal to a literal claim which, by construction, cannot be. In this case, a vote for X is not literally a vote for Trump; it may be effectively, mathematically, or implicitly a vote for Trump, but because it is not literally voting for Trump they just smile like an inebriated donkey and say “nuh-uh not the same lol XD.”