Wait wait wait… Are we talking about teams or “new teams”?
The new variants are just the webapps.
Am I the only one on Lemmy who uses Teams every day and basically has no issues? It’s not perfect, but I much prefer it over SfB, Lync, G2M, WebEx, Zoom & RingCentral.
I feel like people who hate Teams never had to suffer through Skype for Business, which truly was one of the worst pieces of software I’ve ever used in my life. It used the layout engine from WORD to render chat windows. It had an unsynchronized mobile client that 9/10 never received messages unless it was open while the person sent it. It was hell.
Most of Teams’ problems stem from it being an Electron app that aggressively caches everything, which new Teams actually solves so I’m pretty happy with it. I also have to support users of it for our org too, so I don’t just use it constantly I also have to fix it if it breaks, so it’s not just lack of awareness of common issues.
It is lack of awareness, the users don’t report most problems to you. If they did, you wouldn’t have time to do anything but read the problems. I don’t report to IT every bug that annoys me in teams, because they can’t do shit about it and it would take hours for me to list them
Yeah that would make sense if I also didn’t have to use it all day every day.
Also just because you don’t report issues, doesn’t mean others don’t. I never said it was perfect, far from it. But it’s as good or better than many alternatives.
I have a small business and we all work from home. Teams is amazing for remote working. Great for chatting, sharing screens and remote controlling another computer. Don’t know why it’s getting so much hate.
Because it’s objectively worse than every major alternative while being absurdly resource intensive. Just watching it struggle feels like the punchline to a very dry & tragically unfunny joke
Its features are great, like any other web confrence software that does the same.
However the constant UI changes lead to a lot of issues for IT people who have re-tech the entire staff how to use it every update. For a small business thats not probably too bad. For somewhere with hundreds of employee working from home who barley know where the start menu is - that’s a nightmare.
The “new” teams doesn’t work with business accounts. you have to use the specific, now seperate, version for “work and school”. Guess which one the everyone’s existing desktop link is to? Now IT has to get everyone to use the right version of teams…an absolutely insane choice and terrible end user expirence.
Teams feels a bit like a never ending beta. On one hand, it’s kind of nice to get constant tweaks and it’s generally pretty good. On the other, things do break from time to time. There’s also the whole “new teams” thing, which feels… very similar to “old teams”. All the old sillyness, like not being able to folder dive in a team while chatting (it will forget where you were when you switch back) for not much benefit. It also is a big regression in basics like spell check speed. It takes seconds for a red squiggle to send, so now my spoild self has to wait a bit before hitting enter.
At least it’s not new outlook. Everything on that is way slower and it’s very clear the UI was not optimized for a computer. Left click to spell check in an email body, right click to spell check in an email title. Want to add formatting in a meeting invite? Ha, that’s rich. Even very basic things like changing fonts take forever.
Both feel a bit like a new PM being given the reigns and going at it. I struggle to see what was so wrong with the old versions, especially outlook…
my proverbial non existent children, will not be having any sort of relations with anybody who develops cringe and unfunny closed sourced software, no sir, not in my household.
your proverbial non existent household
my household will be real, it’s just the children that are proverbial and non existent. But yes, the proverbial non existent household as well.
Why has Teams for GNU/Linux been discontinued, you bastard?
(yes, there’s an unofficial client thankfully)
(which you’re not allowed to use, depending on company policy)
isn’t it literally just a wrapper around the browser version? don’t see how browser usage might be allowed but not this
Because it’s “not official” and is therefore seen as a security risk.
If it’s just a wrapper around the browser version, why not just use the browser version directly? Chrome (and probably other browsers) let you “install” sites so they have their own icon on the desktop and launcher, and launch it in a separate window. You just need to ensure you check the “open in new Window” option when creating the shortcut.
Surprisingly, I can’t get my webcam to work on Teams from FF or Chromium but it just works on this wrapper.
I don’t even know man. I used to click a teams link and teams would pop up. Now a splash screen for “new” teams comes up and none of my programmable mouse shortcuts work and it seems like sometimes it launches through a browser, other times it doesn’t. I have personal and two work accounts which makes things comokex too.
I genuinely would love an opportunity to scream at the people who decided to release new versions of teams and outlook.
They are now cloud based so that it is easier for Microsoft to train AI models.
I have yet to find anything at all better about “new” Outlook. The fact that I can’t scroll through my calendar anymore is maddening.
May they step on a Lego barefooted in the middle of the night.
The “new” version isn’t even a native app… It’s just the web version. It’s missing a whole heap of features from regular Outlook, like support for native add-ins. It doesn’t feel like a native app; the UI doesn’t follow the design standards of any desktop OS.
Also, if you want to use it with an IMAP or POP email server, you have to connect it to Microsoft’s cloud, and they store a copy of your email! https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook_com/forum/all/imap-without-microsoft-cloud-in-new-outlook/0e17ab6b-48f2-42dc-9e61-f219f7521289
You can uninstall new teams and old teams still works fine
for now
When it breaks I will run teams web over Firefox
Apparently the prompt for asking is triggered because the “new” version is a different executable than the shortcut you’re using is pointing to. So you could fix that by creating a new shortcut.
Another fix would be to get rid of Teams, but when you’re on a corporate license there’s not much we can do about that
god you’d think these fly by night open source hippies would commit to their ideals a little more, you know? the only real option is paid software maintained by full time employees who get fucking paychecks. nothing else is ever gonna work outside of your weird Foss imagination land.
Microsoft Teams is proof that there is no god
A coworker of mine said this once:
“I wasn’t a religious man until I joined IT. If something as evil as a printer exists, then the opposite must as well.”
Printer and Microsoft can be interchangeable.
It’s proof that there is, god is evil.
The coolest thing that happened to me with teams was somehow being invited and automatically accepted to some corpo training event. 1000 attendees. My computer would not shut the fuck up with random people in chat. It was so strange. It was like a twitch stream chat but talking about excel instead.
I’ve been in companies that use Teams and companies that use Slack. The difference was people actually used Slack outside their core team channels. Teams was nearly a ghost town in the wider organization. I felt that was solid evidence that people only used Teams because they had to. They also had to use Slack, but they also kind of liked it.
I don’t think people realize how much corporate policies affect their Teams experience. A lot of complaints I hear are not things I see in my experience because our Teams isn’t strangled by corporate policies.
Wow, no, fuck no. Is there a corporate policy that makes this piece of shit intentionally buggy? For months I’ve had a blank white window on Mac that remains the whole time I use the app. Generally, not one feature of the app works without some kind of glitch or 5. Emojis are fucking broken half the time… Because that’s a complicated totally unsolved problem across the industry /s
What exactly are you using? It’s definitely not teams if you think it’s a passable app. I’ve said it’s alpha software because that’s absolutely what it’s always felt like to me. It’s gotten 10% better in the 3 years I’ve used it. One of the worst apps of all time.
Interesting take. I’ve been using teams for a few years now since that’s what most of my customers use. I can’t say I’ve experienced any bugs or any of the issues you’re sharing.
Only thing I can think of it’s related to Mac and their version of teams. The app for windows seems to work flawlessly.
Now I wonder why the mac version would be a subpar product…
I use it on Windows and I’ve encountered a few bugs, though haven’t experienced many of the stories seen in here. I’ve experienced notifications not coming through which is kinda essential for me tbh, have had the app crash every now and then, and regularly have a thing occur where I would put an emoji on anything and it would go away a second after causing me to do it again. The notifications not coming through is a big deal for me, the rest I can live with just fine.
Not who you’re responding to, but Teams works great in my office. I don’t love the UI, but it’s not buggy at all.
Maybe it’s a Mac thing?
I mean, they support Mac, but yeah the web version is horrible and even windows users in my office hate it.
I guess I’ve just been lucky with it. I only use it on my windows laptops and Android phones, where it’s been pretty flawless.
Though I do work with people in other organizations that have more restrictive permissions applied to Teams from their IT department that make it more difficult to get anything done.
Are you using the video chat? Apparently there are other features, but we don’t use any of them. Only video chat
Yes. I organize about 10 meetings a week - all involving people outside the office.
I’m quite confused then because the app has always been a trash fire for us
Which corporate policy is it that causes the website to default to classic Teams even though your company has switched to v2 Teams? I don’t know why I can’t just log in to v2 instead of having to switch every time.
Vanilla teams is a a stinking pile of shit. Corporate policies just add a bit of bonus nuclear waste to that.
Is corporate services what’s causing activity badges to constantly have wrong numbers on them within the app?
OMG… That’s the one thing that triggers me every time.
Haha, funny. But I actually know the lead developer behind Teams.
It’s Microsoft Copilot.
Makes sense
We should have killed Clippy in the 00s
Clippy kept the real madness at bay. Without his presence we are lost.
zoom is the best one except for the weirdly horrible chat feature
And the software you need to install
My organization has all of our shared folders INSIDE of the Teams file structure. Supposedly, One Drive should sync with the files inside of Teams, but this never happens. Instead we have people constantly asking for files that are in the shared folders, but because they aren’t manually syncing every time they open the folder, they aren’t seeing shit. Its so goddamm frustrating, but my boss is insistent on keeping everything inside the one app for “convenience”.
THERE’S NOTHING CONVENIENT ABOUT TEAMS AHHHH
I love how when you share a file in a teams chat, it’s inaccessible to people who join the chat after you upload the file.
Patented Microsoft Convenience™ at work!
There are many valid complaints about Teams in this thread. The most unforgivable for me is the purple theme. Purple isn’t even a wavelength. It shouldn’t exist, nor should Teams, and I shouldn’t be forced to stare at both of them throughout my work day.
I love purple, but I constantly click on Discord instead of Teams throughout the day. Too many icons with the same or similar color scheme.
“don’t sleep with both eyes shut tonight”
dont tell him that. then he might see you. unlike all the trash he let through.
