imo, this is the line where it starts bleeding over from anti-zionism to anti-jewish. Does Netanyahu need to go? Yes, absolutely. Does most of the current government need to go? Yeah, them too. But saying that the entire country has to go?? Where do all those Israeli civilians go? Do they get the same treatment as the Palestinians because they “deserve it”? Obviously not, because that treatment is exactly what so many people are protesting against. It’s the Israeli government that needs to go.
Strange take. Presumably if Israel was replaced with a non-ethnostate, Jewish citizens of that state would get the same rights and treatment as every other citizen.
If the USA tried to again be a White/European ethnostate and allow anyone with Caucasian heritage to immigrate and barred everyone else from immigrating, then no one today would accept that.
And if they went full on apartheid and started putting natives and minorities in locked down ever-shrinking reservations, people would really lose their shit.
When white nationalists try to advocate for such policies, they are rightfully criticized for being racist.
I can never understand why Israel gets special treatment in that regard.
The USA is a settler state, tf are you talking about mate? Or does it require someone from a ex-colony to explain you the what’s and how’s?
Ecocide? Very much visible, many lakes and forests have been destroyed and polluted, lands have been turned into concrete jungle of highways.
Linguicide? Obviously, no one speaks and practises the language and culture of the native Americans in their own land. Can you? No, English is not their language.
Apartheid? Areas where the native Americans live are very underdeveloped. Their ight to vote is suppressed. Access to healthcare is abyssymal. Isn’t that apartheid?
Poverty? Yes, the Native American is the most impoverished groups in the USA.
Political representation? Almost nonexistent compared to other groups. Name a few popular native American politician, I’ll wait.
Right to self-determination? Most of their lands are under the control of imperialist white men and their crony capitalist buddies.
The USA is the most unhinged form of evolutionary neo-colonialist project, a produced of primitive capitalism gone rogue and rabid, mimicking the “success” of the East India companies by colonizer European states. Death to imperialism, death to America.
This is a Hasbara take on things. The white people from South Africa didn’t disappeared after the apartheid state got dissolved. There were Jewish people in Palestine before Israel was established. Palestinian people have never had an issue treating Jewish people as equals. The only apartheid state in the region has always been Israel.
The white people didn’t disappear alltogether, but a lot of them did emigrate. Jewish people are kind of unique in the way that they face hostility everywhere outside Israel, so that’s not really an option for them.
This is not true. Many of them have emigrated back to their country of origin since October 7th, 2023. Many of them have more than one citizenship and were not even born in Israel, and many of them are new converts. The IOF has been enlisting new converts like there is no tomorrow from all over the world since October 7th. The ones who have no place to go are the Palestinians who are also currently being genocide.
This is a revisionist view that requires ignoring a lot of historical facts. Almost a million Jews were expelled from MENA countries in the 20th century, many of whom survived only by escaping to Israel. The Palestinian Authoriry has never accepted any status for Jews. Christians, Muslims, Druze, yes, but no Jews.
Meanwhile, there are about 2 million Arab citizens (mostly Muslim) of Israel who are entitled to equal rights, including government subsidized Churches and Mosques.
Being entitled to equal rights doesn’t mean they actually get them. It also doesn’t account for the fact that many Palestinians are denied citizenship or remain in occupied territories controlled by Israel and explicitly not guaranteed equal rights
The comprehensive report, Israel’s Apartheid against Palestinians: Cruel System of Domination and Crime against Humanity, sets out how massive seizures of Palestinian land and property, unlawful killings, forcible transfer, drastic movement restrictions, and the denial of nationality and citizenship to Palestinians are all components of a system which amounts to apartheid under international law. This system is maintained by violations which Amnesty International found to constitute apartheid as a crime against humanity, as defined in the Rome Statute and Apartheid Convention.
Meanwhile, there are about 2 million Arab citizens (mostly Muslim) of Israel who are entitled to equal rights, including government subsidized Churches and Mosques.
Plus Arabic being an official language, same status as Hebrew.
People calling it an ethnostate have never been there or arguing in bad faith. It’s obvious.
Not that any of this has to do with the current atrocities in any way. But some people can’t help themselves but to paint the country in a bad way. Which is kind of some because that’s super easy right now. Guess some people just want to go the extra mile.
This is horseshit. Regardless of whatever it might say on paper, the indigenous peoples obviously don’t have equal rights with the Western settlers, and the indigenous Arabic language obviously doesn’t have equal standing with the newly-resurrected Hebrew. In practice not even the indigenous Jews have equal rights with the Western settlers, nor do the Ethiopian settlers.
imo, this is the line where it starts bleeding over from anti-zionism to anti-jewish. Does Netanyahu need to go? Yes, absolutely. Does most of the current government need to go? Yeah, them too. But saying that the entire country has to go?? Where do all those Israeli civilians go? Do they get the same treatment as the Palestinians because they “deserve it”? Obviously not, because that treatment is exactly what so many people are protesting against. It’s the Israeli government that needs to go.
Strange take. Presumably if Israel was replaced with a non-ethnostate, Jewish citizens of that state would get the same rights and treatment as every other citizen.
Exactly.
If the USA tried to again be a White/European ethnostate and allow anyone with Caucasian heritage to immigrate and barred everyone else from immigrating, then no one today would accept that.
And if they went full on apartheid and started putting natives and minorities in locked down ever-shrinking reservations, people would really lose their shit.
When white nationalists try to advocate for such policies, they are rightfully criticized for being racist.
I can never understand why Israel gets special treatment in that regard.
Native Americans are still getting the shaft, so the US is still a settler-colonial state. It’s also the sole global neocolonial empire*, and Israel is its unsinkable aircraft carrier in West Asia. As Biden has said for decades, “Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interest in the region.”
*It’s funny how NATOpedia tries to project debt-trap diplomacy onto China. The US has over 750 foreign bases around the world, while China has one anti-piracy port in Djibouti.
The USA is a settler state, tf are you talking about mate? Or does it require someone from a ex-colony to explain you the what’s and how’s?
The USA is the most unhinged form of evolutionary neo-colonialist project, a produced of primitive capitalism gone rogue and rabid, mimicking the “success” of the East India companies by colonizer European states. Death to imperialism, death to America.
But literally no one with power in the current situation wants a non-ethnostate.
Tell that to 1930s european jews Or 1950s arab jews
People just hate jews, man.
This is a Hasbara take on things. The white people from South Africa didn’t disappeared after the apartheid state got dissolved. There were Jewish people in Palestine before Israel was established. Palestinian people have never had an issue treating Jewish people as equals. The only apartheid state in the region has always been Israel.
The white people didn’t disappear alltogether, but a lot of them did emigrate. Jewish people are kind of unique in the way that they face hostility everywhere outside Israel, so that’s not really an option for them.
This is not true. Many of them have emigrated back to their country of origin since October 7th, 2023. Many of them have more than one citizenship and were not even born in Israel, and many of them are new converts. The IOF has been enlisting new converts like there is no tomorrow from all over the world since October 7th. The ones who have no place to go are the Palestinians who are also currently being genocide.
This is a revisionist view that requires ignoring a lot of historical facts. Almost a million Jews were expelled from MENA countries in the 20th century, many of whom survived only by escaping to Israel. The Palestinian Authoriry has never accepted any status for Jews. Christians, Muslims, Druze, yes, but no Jews.
Meanwhile, there are about 2 million Arab citizens (mostly Muslim) of Israel who are entitled to equal rights, including government subsidized Churches and Mosques.
Being entitled to equal rights doesn’t mean they actually get them. It also doesn’t account for the fact that many Palestinians are denied citizenship or remain in occupied territories controlled by Israel and explicitly not guaranteed equal rights
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Plus Arabic being an official language, same status as Hebrew.
People calling it an ethnostate have never been there or arguing in bad faith. It’s obvious.
Not that any of this has to do with the current atrocities in any way. But some people can’t help themselves but to paint the country in a bad way. Which is kind of some because that’s super easy right now. Guess some people just want to go the extra mile.
This is horseshit. Regardless of whatever it might say on paper, the indigenous peoples obviously don’t have equal rights with the Western settlers, and the indigenous Arabic language obviously doesn’t have equal standing with the newly-resurrected Hebrew. In practice not even the indigenous Jews have equal rights with the Western settlers, nor do the Ethiopian settlers.