What is with everyone’s obsession, government or company, to moderate the web. It’s seriously depressing and exhausting.
Authoritarian tendencies since the web is a bit too close to providing its users with freedom of speech.
for real. it’s been extremely disconcerting watching both companies and nations erode and distort privacy norms so blatantly in the past few years. i’ve never really been a paranoid person, but it’s starting to feel like a coordinated effort to cut the metaphorical brakes so that when we approach the next digital privacy rights crossroad, we are completely unable to exert any control over the direction that society moves.
it used to be that i would hear about an attack on digital privacy once every year. now it seems to happen almost daily. it’s exhausting and worrying all at once.
I think the exhaustion is kind of the point. They want to desensitize us so that they can implement these changes with little pushback.
Ironically, the French figured out a cure for that around 240 years ago.
I feel like France in general has more of a history of its people being more politically active compared to other countries.
When the majority of your population also lives in the same metro area as your seat of government, it really helps.
oh i’m sure it is, and that’s what i think is so insidious about it. the tactics we’re seeing emerge appear to be carefully engineered so as to disproportionately exhaust those who care the most about preserving privacy so we just pack up and leave the platforms for them to ravage.
the average person who hears about proposed “web integrity” protections is going to think nothing of it and do nothing about it, then paint you as a conspiracy theorist for being as concerned as you are. i remember preaching to people about SOPA years ago, and was met with a resounding “meh”. they want the watchdogs specifically to leave their platforms, so that there is no one left to sound the alarms for everyone else.
Or maybe the average person is right by not overreacting?
Don’t be exhausted. We can fight back
But how?
facisim is on the rise again, that’s all.
Companies it’s because they want to be the ones serving you all the information and data and all the privileges that comes with like add profits, etc.
Governments because a huge global tool for information sharing, economics, etc grew under their noses for the last three decades and they ignored it until it was almost out of their control and are now panicking to try and grasp some back.
The Internet’s been ubiquitous for more than two decades now, and the people writing laws to regulate it in most democracies still lack even a high-level understanding about how it and the software they use to access it works. They also seem to go out of their way to avoid working with anyone who actually does know how to implement safety measures in less dangerous or exploitable ways. It’s inexcusable.
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Come on, do your thing french people! We know you want to!
This is too technical to incite the mass. Chances rely on parliament opposition and anti-constitutionality.
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I don’t know what France is like these days, but as I see the US and my country flirting with conservative homophobic politicians, I absolutely refuse to tie the porn I browse to my government ID.
The far right is practically guaranteed to win the next presidential elections, a literal Nazi party has 90 MPs, moderate leftist politicians are being ostracized as “outside of the republican way”.
So, not very well.
Geez! Why is this shit happening everywhere? It’s like fascists got a direct connection to a lot of people’s brains.
Billionaires buying newspapers and TV channels in order to propagate their ideas. They like fascism better than socialism.
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My take is that there is a link to the fact that energy is getting harder to access
The economy is directly related to energy, economic growth is linked to energy consumption growth. As long as we had plenty of fossil fuel easily available to economy was booming, the “American dream” period was also the period when the US was had a lot of oil field easily exploitable.
Thanks to this fossil fuel energy life was getting better every year for everyone. Everyone was getting a “bigger slice of cake” every year. In this context we’ve seen a lot of social progress.
Now energy is less accessible and most of the economic growth is going toward the 1% - 0.1% richest. So the “slice of cake” is now stagnating or even shrinking for most of the population. In this context fascism is tempting.
Hot, but probably not too hot take: Other factors aside, people got dumber due to covid. They got literal brain damage. So when a reasonably intelligent person would be able to tell fascism as insustainable, they wouldn’t after their second or so infection.
There was no Covid until late 2019, Trump, Alex Jones, Putin and other’s followers can’t use it as a Defense.
I insist on the “literal Nazi” part. One of the founder of the party, Léon Gaultier, fought with the Nazi in a Waffen-SS unit during the second world war.
Using “Moderate leftist politicians” to depict Melenchon and its party is a very dubious take. And I won’t ho into the use of “nazi” for convenience, refardless of the truth of the matter.
Melenchon is a normal leftist, not far left. He is a social-democrat. I wish he was as extremist as the right wing says he is.
RN is definitely a Nazi party. It was founded by collaborators. They cannot erase their history, and they are still close to violent neo-Nazis groups.
No. You could reasonably argue that the LFI program is social-democrat, but their internal democracy is a joke, and JLM himself consider the Venezuelian political system to be a model while being remarkably tolerant of Russia’s imperialistic moves. This guy’s a crypto-tankie.
As for the RN, there are a fair number of fascists in the party (and nazis too, but that’s different), but they mostly seems there because there are no legal political formation further right. The voting base don’t particularly support them, and even the high management is annoyed by their presence/visibility… Even is their tolerance of it is far too much for my taste.
All this will do is make people change which site they go to for their masterbatory needs.
I’ll just use the KFC website then. Pretty hot if you ask me.
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How do they propose to enforce this, when browsers are free and open-source and can easily be downloaded from hosts outside of France?
People that propose this kind of stuff always know exactly nothing about how the internet, or technology in general, works.
The Internet is a series of tubes, not a dump truck.
For those who don’t know, this is from senator Ted Stevens explaining how the internet works. Here is the audio:
YouTube links without context or a description are horrible.
Spend the extra 10 seconds to tell people why you feel they fit into the conversation.
Assume its rickroll
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/R8XSo0etBC4
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
Not taking their side, but politicians who say that a nuclear plant shouldn’t be built next to a nature preserve don’t have to know the exact physics going on inside it.
Awesome! That way, the next time a minority starts connecting and coordinating using the internet, conservatives can silence them by doxxing them and threatening their families!
You gave a perfect example of why politician decision SHOULD be based on technical knowledge and not only on what seems to be common sense or popular opinion.
In this case having a nuclear plant close to a close to a nature reserve could be a good idea.
A nuclear plant has a much lower impact on biodiversity than an agricultural field for exemple.
I didn’t.
In this case Mozilla likely has staff and contributors working out of France. Chances are they make money from there too. Mozilla would either need to forfeit the above or comply if the law is implemented.
Enforcement from decent sized economies can often be as simple as having too much economic power to ignore, which often isn’t that high of a threshold.
Sure, but again, it’s open-source - couldn’t somebody not legally affiliated with Mozilla offer a version of it from a server outside France with the blocking code removed?
Yes - but the vast majority of people are not going to be downloading forks or modified versions of software, they will always get it directly from the source.
The “default”, so to speak, has a lot of power.
They can probably enforce it on the major ones and that will be enough to censor 95% of the population.
Do they have this saying in France: “Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater” ? These days, everyone seems so intent on breaking what we have that at the end I’m not sure what we’re going to have left.
this is like preventing your car from driving you to the bank so you cant rob it
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Senile boomers try to do impossible things in tech because stupid. Censorship is stupid, Google and French goverment hand in hand trying to destroy the free and open internet.
Just block it at the ISP who puts this feature into the actual browser has this country even used the web before???
Brother, you don’t know how fucking tech illiterate our government is (with a nice topping of being wannabe autocrats)
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I hate that these articles are always couched in excusatory language like, “While motivated by a legitimate concern…”
These people are not your friends, they’re your enemies. Don’t accept their frame in the argument.
whipped up a quick meme
They indicted 7 people for Terrorism last year because they encrypted their disks, used tail as their OS and signal for communication.
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Hey thanks for that. I heard about it but couldn’t find any details about it
I could see Mozilla being forced to comply and then letting it be known that if you delete a certain part of the firefox source and recompile, it goes away.
I don’t think they can be forced to comply. Even if they have a local office they can just leave and tell Macron to fuck off. The government will probably force ISPs to block Mozilla’s website (at DNS level because politicians/idiots) and nothing will actually change.
The real shit would be if the EU wanted this…
An ‘unrelated third party’ would do it
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Jesus France is really fucking over their people aren’t they?
