cross-posted from: https://lemmynsfw.com/post/11288860
Instead, Cerezo-Mota expects the world to heat by a catastrophic 3C this century, soaring past the internationally agreed 1.5C target and delivering enormous suffering to billions of people. This is her optimistic view, she says.
It boils down to political will to efficiently fund the transition. We can let planes fly - no simple solution to that. Put subsidies for green steel - currently costlier, not many companies will adopt too soon Build more public transport - fuck dem cars Enable remote work Invest in farmers to make the transition to electric tractors, then cut out gas subsidies
These are doable today, the funds should come easily if we don’t let billionaires get away without paying taxes. Side note: 1 billion is a tremendous amount of money, but the top billionaires are worth 200 billions!!!
It’s not just a matter of funding renewables. If there exists production of fossil fuels and these are allowed to be burnt, the current economic system is going to look for economic opportunities where it is possible to turn those fossil fuels into money - and it will find them, because energy is the foundation of all economic activity. In this way, the renewable transition is never-ending, because it will continue to try and fulfill an energy demand that is ever growing.
That is also true. In production perspective there’s no sense to keep a small production quantity alive just for a limited application. Then we’ll arrive at the conclusion that governments need to be able to regulate businesses with objective policies - not affected by industry lobbying. But that would need a very robust system of governance where the people cannot be bought out, ideally.
That’s why in my view the key here is the policy - where to subsidize and not, where to tax and stop issuing permits, taking EOL pumps accountable etc.
I reckon, if we just simply made corporations pay the appropriate tax based on their climate destroying activities, we’d have enough to green the planet in literally a few years. There is trillions of dollars pouring into the pockets of industry that should be going to protect us.
It’s just so bizzare that people seem to accept this as fine and normal. They’re literally selling us the poison that we use to destroy ourselves, and not even paying taxes in most cases. It’s a world wide problem and it’s obscene.
I think your idea is a very fine idea but at the same time very naive.
One can start advocating what you did. Looking at classes like poor and rich, the poor are definitely the majority, so theoretically one should be able to plant the seed of thought.
But in praxis that doesn’t necessarily work that way. I believe one will immediately be called ‘too extreme’ if not ‘terrorist’ and struggle to gain supporters. It doesn’t help that much of the media is owned by few people.
At the same time the rich showed already that they have no intention to stop poisoning our life basis if that would mean less money for them.
So even if one gets people to follow the idea and starts to get political attention, rich corporations that have a threat to their income have also shown many times that it is not too difficult for them to make people disappear or that they ‘tragically die’ somehow.
I don’t think it’s particularly niave, if anything it’s just pointing out the obvious solution. I’m not expecting it to change, clearly the ruling class will run this ship into the ground, if the ‘people’ were going to rise up and demand change it most likely would have happened already.
I just think it’s an interesting reality that we’re living in.
You are right. I kind of read your first comment like “Why don’t we simply take matters in our hands” instead of “it’s strange that many accept this exploitation of environment and even humans as perfectly normal”.
It is interesting and depressing to look at. It’s also fascinating to see how many people seem to be successfully brainwashed or whatever the reason is they vote against their own interest.
yeah i gave up a long time ago. just don’t have kids please. don’t bring them into this mess.
Nah. If the climate crisis turns into societal collapse, and my future children want to avoid the pain of living through the apocalypse, they can kill themselves when things turn bleak. It’s the same choice we all have. There’s always a way off the ride. Every day any of us live is a day deemed better than the alternative.
Bro what the fuck
OP was begging everyone to stop having kids because they gave up on life - that’s better than recognizing we can choose to stop living at any time?
Accepting the end of the human race is a lot more “what the fuck” than accepting the end of a human life, imo.
I mean… Don’t raise kids with that mentality
Which mentality?
That human life is worth living, but circumstances may not always be, so we reserve the right to choose our own exit from it, or that choosing to live is saying life is better than death?
You’re teaching your children to take their own lives when times are rough. I’m not besmirching your freedom to “exit” or anyone’s choice but who are you, me, your kids, to make a decision of that final exit based off of criteria that is subjective and impossible to understand. Not even the very wise can see the end, apocalyptic world or not.
Tell me where I said I’d teach a child suicide should be front of mind. All I mean is they should get to choose if they live - in response to someone pleading that we all stop having children.
I want to have a child. Why should I not, because the world could be in rough shape due to climate catastrophe? I’ll let them make that call and I hope they don’t have to.
This is where I’m at as well. I’ve accepted that the world is fucked and billions will likely die during my lifetime. But there’s nothing I can personally do about it. So I’m just making the best of what life I have.
So when preparing the rich, I would like to recommend a slow bake wrapped in bacon (to seal in the juicy evil).
Cheer up guys! At least the end of humanity will be slow and tortuous; it’ll give you plenty if time to tell the rich and powerful “I told you so” as it all dies around us.
