There are rather userfriendly distros like Fedora, Mint which out of the box are just as usable as any windows installation. The only reason i can think of why you might think linux is more complicated is because you have prior experience with windows and would need to re-learn how todo things. But i dont see any user without such notions to describe the linux experience as more complicated.
Having an easy installer and a similar GUI is not the same thing as being ‘usable as Windows’. Mint is still Linux. It comes with every issue that Linux has in being overly complicated for no real reason. It still doesn’t have NEARLY the amount of software supported that Windows does. It’s still a nightmare to install new software. The problem isn’t, and never has been, the distro. The problem is Linux itself is incompatible with the basic user functions that most want to take care of. People want it to be extremely easy, extremely simple, and easy to find. Linux has never been able to hold all three of those. They can hold two, at best, and even that is arguable.
“The only reason it’s more complicated is because you’d have to relearn how to do things.” What an utterly meaningless statement. If I was raised using how to learn Linux then obviously it would be more easy. That’s like saying “The only reason it’s hard to learn Chinese is because you were born in an English speaking family.” Of fucking course it would be more easy dude. However I wasn’t raised on Linux. Why? Because it’s unnecessarily complicated for basic daily use. There’s a reason that Microsoft and Apple dominate the home computer market and it’s simply due to ease of use. No one wants to learn a ridiculously complicated series of commands that they have to type in simply to move a folder from one location to another. The fact that Distros have had to build in this feature much later and a decade after the fact is utterly insane.
Y’all can have fun using an abacus but I’ll stick with a calculator thats simple, easy, clean, and user friendly.
What issues are you talking about. Could you provide one or two examples?
doesn’t have NEARLY the amount of software supported
because linux is currently undergoing a unification of software with flatpaks … so the amount directly supported software is very quickly increasing like nothing before
It’s still a nightmare to install new software.
Almost all distros have graphical software installers now … so i can’t really agree with you, sorry.
Linux itself is incompatible with the basic user function … People want it to be extremely easy, extremely simple, and easy to find.
Every desktop main menu has a search function … so finding stuff is as easy as never before.
What an utterly meaningless statement.
I’d say meaningless is the wrong word … i think you wanted to say “obvious” … which i agree. It’s just that some people seem to forget and i got into the habit of reminding them.
Why? Because it’s unnecessarily complicated for basic daily use.
Still sounds to me like you might be mixing your preconceptions and maybe old experiences
There’s a reason that Microsoft and Apple dominate the home computer market and it’s simply due to ease of use.
I’d say its mostly because of clever marketing and having their stuff pre-installed and the average user not knowing about alternatives … but i wont say that they didn’t learn maintain a reasonable easy to use UI for their systems, especially since the insentive for profit is pretty high.
simply to move a folder from one location to another. The fact that Distros have had to build in this feature much later and a decade after the fact is utterly insane.
Now this sounds like you havent used any linux distro in a very long time … but maybe i am just misunderstanding you and you are meaning something more specific, which i can’t really make out, sorry.
Y’all can have fun using an abacus but I’ll stick with a calculator thats simple, easy, clean, and user friendly.
Obviously you can do as you like, i just wanted to better understand your perspectiv on this matter. And i think i already have a better understanding but … i think i am still missing some parts.
Here’s me then conceding to the fact that Linux is much harder to use than Windows - when anything goes wrong. Most people can barely even use windows properly, so no, Linux is out of the question for the majority unless they only ever use a web browser.
For people like me however, Linux IS easier to use, which is why the same type of people easily fall into the trap of assuming everyone can be like them.
Your personal experience and how you use the operating system is utterly irrelevant. My point wasn’t an opinion. It is simple fact. Linux requires more steps to get anything done. There is fewer options for ease of use/ease of access. The fact that terminal interactions are required to move a folder is proof of my point.
Linux is a more complicated Operating System and has absolutely zero benefit to the average computer user.
Don’t know why you keep ignoring that simple reality. If it was easier to use/as supported then don’t you think that a free operating system would be more popular? The thing holding it back is the OS itself. Fucking Chrome OS has overtaken most Linux Distros in how commonly installed it is. Simply because it’s just easier to use.
Y’all can keep lying to yourselves and everyone else but you don’t get to be upset when someone points out your horseshit.
That’s not the point (which is also subjective; if you are a Linux developer or uses Linux software at work it’s much harder to use Window). They implied that Linux doesn’t let you install proprietary software, which is not true and shows they don’t understand how software works. Windows software requires proprietary software from Microsoft to run. You can’t run Windows software on Linux because those components are proprietary to Microsoft and are not available for Linux, although Wine tries to reverse engineer them.
Which is all irrelevant to original point and doesn’t change how factual my comment is. Should we start replying to comments making any factual point now?
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There are rather userfriendly distros like Fedora, Mint which out of the box are just as usable as any windows installation. The only reason i can think of why you might think linux is more complicated is because you have prior experience with windows and would need to re-learn how todo things. But i dont see any user without such notions to describe the linux experience as more complicated.
Having an easy installer and a similar GUI is not the same thing as being ‘usable as Windows’. Mint is still Linux. It comes with every issue that Linux has in being overly complicated for no real reason. It still doesn’t have NEARLY the amount of software supported that Windows does. It’s still a nightmare to install new software. The problem isn’t, and never has been, the distro. The problem is Linux itself is incompatible with the basic user functions that most want to take care of. People want it to be extremely easy, extremely simple, and easy to find. Linux has never been able to hold all three of those. They can hold two, at best, and even that is arguable.
“The only reason it’s more complicated is because you’d have to relearn how to do things.” What an utterly meaningless statement. If I was raised using how to learn Linux then obviously it would be more easy. That’s like saying “The only reason it’s hard to learn Chinese is because you were born in an English speaking family.” Of fucking course it would be more easy dude. However I wasn’t raised on Linux. Why? Because it’s unnecessarily complicated for basic daily use. There’s a reason that Microsoft and Apple dominate the home computer market and it’s simply due to ease of use. No one wants to learn a ridiculously complicated series of commands that they have to type in simply to move a folder from one location to another. The fact that Distros have had to build in this feature much later and a decade after the fact is utterly insane.
Y’all can have fun using an abacus but I’ll stick with a calculator thats simple, easy, clean, and user friendly.
What issues are you talking about. Could you provide one or two examples?
because linux is currently undergoing a unification of software with flatpaks … so the amount directly supported software is very quickly increasing like nothing before
Almost all distros have graphical software installers now … so i can’t really agree with you, sorry.
Every desktop main menu has a search function … so finding stuff is as easy as never before.
I’d say meaningless is the wrong word … i think you wanted to say “obvious” … which i agree. It’s just that some people seem to forget and i got into the habit of reminding them.
Still sounds to me like you might be mixing your preconceptions and maybe old experiences
I’d say its mostly because of clever marketing and having their stuff pre-installed and the average user not knowing about alternatives … but i wont say that they didn’t learn maintain a reasonable easy to use UI for their systems, especially since the insentive for profit is pretty high.
Now this sounds like you havent used any linux distro in a very long time … but maybe i am just misunderstanding you and you are meaning something more specific, which i can’t really make out, sorry.
Obviously you can do as you like, i just wanted to better understand your perspectiv on this matter. And i think i already have a better understanding but … i think i am still missing some parts.
Thanks for the nice discussion so far.
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Here’s me then conceding to the fact that Linux is much harder to use than Windows - when anything goes wrong. Most people can barely even use windows properly, so no, Linux is out of the question for the majority unless they only ever use a web browser.
For people like me however, Linux IS easier to use, which is why the same type of people easily fall into the trap of assuming everyone can be like them.
Once again, y’all completely misunderstand.
Your personal experience and how you use the operating system is utterly irrelevant. My point wasn’t an opinion. It is simple fact. Linux requires more steps to get anything done. There is fewer options for ease of use/ease of access. The fact that terminal interactions are required to move a folder is proof of my point.
Linux is a more complicated Operating System and has absolutely zero benefit to the average computer user.
Don’t know why you keep ignoring that simple reality. If it was easier to use/as supported then don’t you think that a free operating system would be more popular? The thing holding it back is the OS itself. Fucking Chrome OS has overtaken most Linux Distros in how commonly installed it is. Simply because it’s just easier to use.
Y’all can keep lying to yourselves and everyone else but you don’t get to be upset when someone points out your horseshit.
That’s not the point (which is also subjective; if you are a Linux developer or uses Linux software at work it’s much harder to use Window). They implied that Linux doesn’t let you install proprietary software, which is not true and shows they don’t understand how software works. Windows software requires proprietary software from Microsoft to run. You can’t run Windows software on Linux because those components are proprietary to Microsoft and are not available for Linux, although Wine tries to reverse engineer them.
Irrelevant. The original point may have been that but the comment I reacted to, and the line I did, was not.
More over, even if I was responding to the original comment, that doesn’t change how factual mine is.
Edit: Your boos mean nothing when I’ve seen the garbage that makes you cheer
Which is all irrelevant to original point and doesn’t change how factual my comment is. Should we start replying to comments making any factual point now?