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This post got banned from !memes@lemmy.world for reason “Troll Posting” which is Very Disrespectful in my opinion. 😕

I mean this meme with full respect and love to my fellow community members and I was proud of the discussion and support it was creating.

EDIT: POST RESTORED YAY. (Thank you to the mods it turned out to be a misunderstanding.)

Important clarification/FAQ: I am not calling to coddle or excuse the behavior of bigoted men in any way!

I am calling to be kind and understanding to young men (often ages 10-20) who are very manipulable and succeptible to the massive anti feminist propaganda machine. Hope this clarifies that very important distinction. :)

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  • bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Toxic masculinity exists. Women are also told to “remember their place” and act a certain way. Both are true.

    Work too much? Doesn’t take care of her family. Full time mom? Doesn’t have a real job. Asserts herself at work? Bossy and bitchy. Asks for assistance with her family? Bad mom. Black and asks for assistance with her family? Welfare Queen.

    Have you ever asked yourself why people only bring up male victims when we are talking about female victims? It’s like people who talk about homeless veterans whenever people advocate for the homeless writ large. The moment the discussion about the homeless fades away, those veteran homeless have served their purpose. As a cudgel to stop others from receiving help. We see this over and over again across all sorts of issues and demographics.

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      I mean yes I could have used the term “toxic masculinity” but men not steeped deeply in feminist theory tend to react badly to it, and self-identified feminists (usually also not quite firm in theory) getting called out for engaging in it tend to react even worse. And I already used quite a lot of budget on the privilege check, so, yeah, better avoid that one.

      • bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        2 months ago

        In 2024 the bar is still too low. Many men deny we need feminism at all, despite the fact that it benefits everyone. Gender roles and expectations are generally bad for everyone. Advocating for women generally is advocacy for men as well.

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          (btw did you see my edit to your edit)

          Advocating for women generally is advocacy for men as well.

          In theory, yes. In practice you get self-avowed feminists reinforcing the patriarchy, hence why I did the privilege checking.

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              2 months ago

              I replied to that purported bogeyman directly. Called out what you correctly identified as toxic masculinity.