I replied to the other person with my main points if you’d be interested in replying there to those points!
Some things from this thread:
The people they are trying to tail are not interested in being friends with China, stopping the genocide in Palestine, or being pro-labor.
Why would they use these positions which most of the people they are targeting would immediately hate if they didn’t believe them? Why wouldn’t they just become like the Shapiros and Carlsons and Jones type grifters if they were really trying to just grift? Wouldn’t they make way more money and get way more clout if they didn’t actually inject these talking points into their rhetoric?
Is your premise that the feds are uplifting these guys so that people who would be radicalized towards communism get led astray? They seem to only appeal to people who would never be interested in communism so I don’t really know how that adds up. The only self identified leftists I see who are swayed by them seem to be people who agree that the left is further alienating a large portion of the US working class from socialism by using rhetoric, jargon, and aesthetics which they are pre-programmed to reject. So they couch their positions in US iconography to bypass that. Its not the strategy I would spend time organizing, or the group I would target in my organizing, but if they want to try, whats the problem? If we get a Hitler as you said, it won’t be because these people are the way it happened, it will be because it was an election year and we live in the US.
I’ve never had twitter and basically just heard about these people but have watched a couple YT videos featuring them and talking about them and then seen a couple threads here on lemmygrad about them in the last week or two. So I don’t have a lot of info or cemented biases on the matter. I did watch a recent video from just a few days ago with Hinkle giving a speech to a crowd using Lenin quotes and talking about Marxism so saying he has completely stopped talking about it doesn’t track.
As far as civil wars and decolonization go - you don’t really think if a civil war happens there will be any leftist group or de-colonial group that will stand a chance to take any power do you? Its gonna be the MAGA vs the Lib technocrats, there won’t be any decolonization going on, just a redrawing of colonial borders, like a (hopefully) less cartoonish Fallout: New Vegas landscape. The majority of Americans do not consider decolonization a viable option and while I am 100% behind the idea as someone who has been organizing in groups promoting it for many years, it doesn’t seem to be gaining any traction among the average Americans because it means they lose their luxuries and power gained by settler colonialism.
I appreciate your tone and style in response it makes dialogue feel accessible and not so polarizing as these spaces often do.
I’m trying to understand why people think these guys are both insignificant but also “the enemy” worth vehemently opposing. I admit I don’t know a lot about them, but with what I’ve seen I don’t see how they are going to cause any more harm or damage while I am also intrigued about if they might succeed in spreading an anti-imperialist sentiment within the Trump base that could influence his policy when he becomes president again. If so, I think that is a good thing and would be better than Trump on his own without that or any Democrat, and if they fail or just fully grift then nothing is different about the world.
Yeah tbh I think you’re sealioning. I sincerely can’t believe you’ve been organizing for 10 years but have only now heard of MWM, Hinkle, Infrared etc. while at the same time being familiar enough that you can quote from their latest videos. You also say you support decol but then show you don’t actually support decol because “it’s not popular” which is the textbook definition of tailism, and ultimately says you don’t actually support decol regardless of what you may think on the matter.
I’ve had my eye on you from your first comment in this thread but we always give people a chance to explain themselves first. The only reason it took this long to ban you is because I wanted to get more opinions, which I eventually did. So, you get a rule 5 ban: no patsocs.
I replied to the other person with my main points if you’d be interested in replying there to those points!
Some things from this thread:
Why would they use these positions which most of the people they are targeting would immediately hate if they didn’t believe them? Why wouldn’t they just become like the Shapiros and Carlsons and Jones type grifters if they were really trying to just grift? Wouldn’t they make way more money and get way more clout if they didn’t actually inject these talking points into their rhetoric?
Is your premise that the feds are uplifting these guys so that people who would be radicalized towards communism get led astray? They seem to only appeal to people who would never be interested in communism so I don’t really know how that adds up. The only self identified leftists I see who are swayed by them seem to be people who agree that the left is further alienating a large portion of the US working class from socialism by using rhetoric, jargon, and aesthetics which they are pre-programmed to reject. So they couch their positions in US iconography to bypass that. Its not the strategy I would spend time organizing, or the group I would target in my organizing, but if they want to try, whats the problem? If we get a Hitler as you said, it won’t be because these people are the way it happened, it will be because it was an election year and we live in the US.
I’ve never had twitter and basically just heard about these people but have watched a couple YT videos featuring them and talking about them and then seen a couple threads here on lemmygrad about them in the last week or two. So I don’t have a lot of info or cemented biases on the matter. I did watch a recent video from just a few days ago with Hinkle giving a speech to a crowd using Lenin quotes and talking about Marxism so saying he has completely stopped talking about it doesn’t track.
As far as civil wars and decolonization go - you don’t really think if a civil war happens there will be any leftist group or de-colonial group that will stand a chance to take any power do you? Its gonna be the MAGA vs the Lib technocrats, there won’t be any decolonization going on, just a redrawing of colonial borders, like a (hopefully) less cartoonish Fallout: New Vegas landscape. The majority of Americans do not consider decolonization a viable option and while I am 100% behind the idea as someone who has been organizing in groups promoting it for many years, it doesn’t seem to be gaining any traction among the average Americans because it means they lose their luxuries and power gained by settler colonialism.
I appreciate your tone and style in response it makes dialogue feel accessible and not so polarizing as these spaces often do. I’m trying to understand why people think these guys are both insignificant but also “the enemy” worth vehemently opposing. I admit I don’t know a lot about them, but with what I’ve seen I don’t see how they are going to cause any more harm or damage while I am also intrigued about if they might succeed in spreading an anti-imperialist sentiment within the Trump base that could influence his policy when he becomes president again. If so, I think that is a good thing and would be better than Trump on his own without that or any Democrat, and if they fail or just fully grift then nothing is different about the world.
Yeah tbh I think you’re sealioning. I sincerely can’t believe you’ve been organizing for 10 years but have only now heard of MWM, Hinkle, Infrared etc. while at the same time being familiar enough that you can quote from their latest videos. You also say you support decol but then show you don’t actually support decol because “it’s not popular” which is the textbook definition of tailism, and ultimately says you don’t actually support decol regardless of what you may think on the matter.
I’ve had my eye on you from your first comment in this thread but we always give people a chance to explain themselves first. The only reason it took this long to ban you is because I wanted to get more opinions, which I eventually did. So, you get a rule 5 ban: no patsocs.