• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      Biden really is just full on running Trump’s 2016 campaign huh?

      When’s he gonna start yelling about Trump’s emails?

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    Because literally nobody is suprised by trump as this point. We all know what he is at this point. Biden popped the fascade that has been carefully crafted to keep us all thinking he was doing alright despite being old as fuck.

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      100%. People want to act like it was a “bad debate performance” but it was absolutely eye opening to the american people. Its not about who won or lost a debate.

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        And it’s not like it’s the first of those incidents. He fell off his bike, tripped getting on air force one, had a bunch of press conferences where he did the trailing off in the middle of his answer thing, etc.

        And this isn’t the only person democrats did this with either. They enabled Dianne Feinstein to run for reelection despite her being at deaths door, there’s the RBG debacle, etc.

        Democrats need to get better at refreshing the old guard. The only one that did it kind of right is Nancy Pelosi: groom a successor and step aside when the time is right.

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          I love the argument about the bike, have you seen trump on a bike? There’s a 99% chance that you don’t ride a bike yourself.

          BTW: he tripped, because he had to stop to talk with reporters and the predators had straps. It even happened to me and I’m much much younger than him.

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            Maybe there’s millions of qualified people other than Trump and Biden in the US? Why do Americans have to settle for just these 2? Why does Biden get to say he’s the only one that could beat Trump, if that’s objectively not true?

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              I can’t think of anyone else who could beat him. I really believed that Clinton could do it, and technically she did, but she didn’t beat him bad enough. A lot of people thought he was just playing himself up to win and wouldn’t be so bad once he got in (myself included). He showed them he wasn’t playing anything up and a vote against him got the largest turnout in history.

              I really thought (and prayed, and begged the universe) that Sanders would get a shot.

              Damn, what a mess. What a stressful, stressful, mess.

              With a gay kid and a trans kid, I really do worry about their future. All we can do is ride the rock and hope for the best though. Well, that and vote against the dude who openly despises certain groups.

              Edit:

              Why didn’t you 9 name a candidate and why you think they’d win. Come on now, it’s a social forum. Get social.

              Edit 2:

              Chomp chomp. That’s me eating my words and praying I’m wrong on 7/21

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    John Stuart said it best - Trump meet everyone’s expectations of him. His followers are either deranged or are just exploiting his madness. Biden was the one with something to prove and he ducking blew it.

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        That’s not how old age works. Biden is not getting better, that’s the whole point. This wasn’t a political gaffe, it was a consequence of the inevitable collapse of age. Biden needs to step down, literally the only way Dems have a chance to win at this point.

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    Your loyalty to Joe biden won’t get Him reelected, in fact it will do the exact opposite, denial of reality will come smacking hard the day of election, because the election will be sealed by the unaffiliated undecided electors, and Biden’s mental acuity won’t win them over.

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      “loyalty.” Heh. I’m not loyal to Biden. I would prefer another viable candidate. But unfortunately, here we are. I don’t have another viable democratic candidate. The party doesn’t have another viable candidate.

      So I’m going to vote Biden. Mainly because I absolutely do not want Trump.

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        That’s the new narrative they’re pushing – that it’s about loyalty to Biden and not action against Trump.

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    Because Trump performed exactly how he has in every previous debate, I’m not saying it was good but it was the same shit level of performance that I expected.

    Biden performed horrendously compared to expectations, that’s why he gets the focus. Trump lying his ass off just isn’t news anymore, I’m not justifying it but it would have been stranger if he hadn’t.

    I know Trump shouldn’t get a pass but the reason Biden is getting so much focus and Trump isn’t is pretty obvious. Trump did as Trump does and Biden had a horrible performance.

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      Biden performed horrendously compared to expectations, that’s why he gets the focus.

      Infuriating because people writing these headlines already know this. The entire purpose of these headlines is to deflect the real problem of Biden’s inability to fulfill his role as Chief Executive onto “Ah but have you considered Trump is worse?!”

      I know Trump shouldn’t get a pass

      I don’t think he really benefited from the debate either. Its not like anything he said resonated with the audience. It was the standard litany of grumpy old fascist bullshit. His approval rating didn’t go up. Nothing he said has endured as a talking point or meme. He didn’t even score a good laugh line.

      This was a spectacle precisely because Biden was supposed to come out as a powerful voice to rally the mushy indie voters and… he didn’t. We have this enormous pool of people who are disgusted with both candidates. Biden didn’t put anything on the table to win them over. Trump didn’t either. So now we go into the convensions with two of the must unlikable candidates in living memory.

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    I thought Biden was sick, or was it tired? Now it’s tongue tied? The DNC is literally handing Trump the WH by refusing to acknowledge they are propping up a vegetable

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      While I could see the wisdom in not propping up a vegetable, I’m not sure acknowledging that they are propping up a vegetable is any more of a “winning strategy”.

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          Orrrrr yes tired and a cold, that’s not a ludicrous combination lol. And he’s always had a stutter, which yes can come out in many ways.

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            Listening to liberals still defending Biden is like listening to Republicans in their cult like worship for Trump

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              So dishonest lmao. Nobody thinks he’s a fucking banger of a candidate. Nobody is leaping for joy to vote for fucking Joe Biden. His faults are myriad and obvious. There is no worship. You have the choice between an actual despot and grampa Joe. That’s it.

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                They are both despots, those are your choices. I, and many others, refuse to participate in failed politics which only serve the wealthy

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                  This is just reductive. Look at any of the policies from the D’s that benefit all of us, women, the poor. Waste your vote and enable fascism. Feel free.

                  edit: and the gays… and education… and taxes… and infrastructure… and climate… and migration…