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Non-Latinx/Latine people DNI
What is your personal preference?
As someone outside of the community, I personally find “Latine” to make more sense. It fits with the vocalization of “Latino” or “Latina”, and the -e suffix is an established neutral term
Personally, I find “Latinx” to feel very artificially added. Its pronunciation as “lah-tin-ex” or “lah-tinks” seems very anglicized imo, and doesn’t feel like it really fits within the Spanish language
But I thought I’d seek the opinion of people within the community
So please, share your thoughts down below 💜
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From Brazil here. I always thought latinx was for the community inside the US. Latine follows what was decided here as neutral with the -e suffix. Honestly, initially I wouldn’t imagine that x was pronounced and was used only in text.
Funnily enough, in French, “latine” is the feminine form of the adjective “latin” lol
I use hispanic and can’t say i have much care for the whole latinx/e debate, but if latino or latina just doesn’t float your boat, I think latine at least sounds better and looks better.
Just FYI, “Hispanic” isn’t synonymous with “Latino”. One’s region-specific, and the other is language-specific. “Hispanic” refers to coming from a Spanish-speaking country, whereas “Latino” refers to somebody from Latin America. For instance, Spaniards are considered Hispanic, but not Latino; and Brazilians would be Latino, but not Hispanic.
Did you just explain to a hispanic person how to use the word hispanic?
Assuming that Griseowulfin is Hispanic, then yes, I explained to a Hispanic person how to use an English word. Not really a “gotcha”.
Latinx doesn’t work and it’s embarrassing to force it. Latine at least kind of sounds right, but what are we doing here? If you’re speaking English and don’t want to say Latino or Latina, you can just say Latin American. In Spanish if an individual says they want to be referred to as latine then you should respect that. Otherwise, latinos is fine for a mixed gender group.
The issue, at least as far as I understand it, is that “Latino” as a general term irks people.
It’s like referring to humans as “men’ instead of “people”. It contributes to a sense of patriarchal dominance.
Personally, when I refer to humans as a group, I say “people”, not “man” or “men”.
With a lot of ethnicities, the terms are neutral. Caucasians are Caucasians. Asians are Asians, African Americans are African Americans, etc.
But “Latino” is a gendered term by its very nature. This is why a lot of people have started using “Latinx” or “Latine”.
Does using “mankind” to refer to humans offend you? Genuine question.
I’ve heard (debated) etymology that “man” is gender neutral because in older English, “male” would have been “wereman” and “female” would have been “wifman,” so the “man” morpheme just designated “human” and the prefix designated the gender.
Which does imply that "were"wolves are exclusively male, and a female wolf person really should be called a wifwolf.
The issue is that you’ve made an assumption about an entire culture based on your own external experiences, and when confronted with opinions beyond your limited view, you ignore them because they don’t immediately make sense to you.
Sounds familiar.
OP you’ve made the mistake of presuming the world at large knows what DNI stands for.
I’m also in the “stop butchering my language” camp, however I see you don’t mean using Latine or Latinx as a replacement for Latino and Latina in general. You are asking whether non-binary people prefer Latinx or Latine in their personal ID documents. Which is one of the few cases I think using the term is justified.
But since I’m not part of your demographic in question I don’t know if my answer is valid. I guess Latine is at least easier to pronounce than Latinx so there ya go.
Yeah, it’s become very evident that “DNI” is not as universal of a terms as I thought it was.
On your second point, I’m not referring specifically to nonbinary folk, but rather to the language referring to the ethnicity as a whole.
With (most) other ethnicities/nationalities, the English terminology is neutral (French, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Greek, African, etc.), but the classical term for “Latino” is male-gendered.
This is why people have started to use the term “Latinx”, and occasionally “Latine”.
Personally, I think “Latinx” is a bastardization of the language, while “Latine” works within the linguistic framework, but I’m asking for opinions from the people within this group to see their preference
Well then I’m not sure I see your point- I think people should have their pronouns/gender acknowledged in their ID. Suggesting a gender neutral for everyone in a language that clearly has been gendered since its inception doesn’t make any sense to me. Let each person have whatever option best reflects their case scenario
I’m a white guy and I think both are pretty retarded
Yeah, the masculine ending is the grammatically correct form for when the gender of someone is unknown or the group has a mix of genders.
Literally did not ask for your opinion.
You don’t dictate what I can and can’t comment on sir
Not a sir.
Also: “non-Latinx/Latine DNI”. Specifically asked for you not to interact.
“Non-Latinx/Latine DNI”
Apparently y’all can’t read.
You need to learn some manners
You need to learn some manners.
If someone specifies that a post is directed toward a specific group that you are not a part of, then you should keep scrolling instead of whining in the comments.
You’re the one accusing people of not being able to read over a misunderstanding about an acronym. That’s rude.
No one here agrees with you lol
Don’t care, didn’t ask
What is DNI? Do not insinuate? Do not improvise?
It stands for “Do Not Interact”. Usually used on social profiles to say something like “Minors DNI” or “Adults DNI”, for people who are uncomfortable with having minors or adults following them on social media.
Generally, it’s done to protect users on a platform, not to filter out opinions, so OP’s usage is a little weird.
I assumed it would be understood by most people. Apparently I was wrong. Live and learn, I guess
Why on earth is this comment being downvoted? OP is admitting to changing their mind when presented with new information, and they are being ridiculed for it? That behavior is precisely what we want people to do: update their viewpoints when they learn new facts and opinions.
Because their mind seems to have been “changed” to “there are more idiots out there than I thought”.
In another comment from OP…
It’s not my job to educate idiots
I just block them :3
It’s literally as simple as me having thought DNI was a more widely known term.
Also, the person I responded to in that quote was an idiot. Doesn’t mean everyone else here is.
It’s funny because in spanish it means Documento Nacional de Identidad (National ID). Given the context, I immediately thought of that instead of Do Not Interact
Usually used
I am online since ca. 1996. I never ever heard the phrase “xyz DNI”.
I didn’t know what that even meant.
Funy, you want to dictate who can respond? Pretty racist if you ask me.
It’s not my job to educate idiots
I just block them :3
I’m Latin American, I’ve seen some people use Latinx here, but I personally prefer Latine because it rolls off the tongue much easier. Ideally though, I’d personally rather be called Latin American to avoid the pronoun altogether. Again, though, that’s a personal preference of mine - in languages with gendered pronouns, I personally prefer avoiding using pronouns toward myself altogether as much as possible.
At least in my experience, it’s not really uniformly decided and also became a Culture War thing in here as well.
So I’m white but my wife is Latina and considering Latinx was tacked onto the language by a bunch of random white kids I’d say it’s pretty well disliked given where we live. Never heard Latine but I’d imagine that also isn’t going over very well.
Latine
Latinx is a bastardization of the Spanish language . Majority of Latinos hate it.
That whole push in late 2010s was artificial.
Nobody asked for it and the target group thought it was weird since they got their own language that covers gender neutral situations very well.
First time hearing this term brought in years tho
Didn’t realize people are still pushing its usage.
my neighbors all refer to themselves as Hispanic
As someone who used Latinx in a Lemmy post and then was down voted to oblivion, just go Latino or Latina. But good on you for asking people how they’d like to be called.
I had the exact same experience. Didn’t even know it was so disliked at the time
E isn’t a confirmed gender neutral suffix - it’s a male/undescribed suffix. Latinx is the preferred group noun for people who don’t like Latino/Latinos (which are the old technically correct terms for gender unconfirmed or mixed groups).
I’m Latin American, no one is going to take you seriously if you say Latinx, you are even going to be made fun of, Latine is rarely used at all. No one is going to get offended if you just say Latino.
Latinx is an Anglicization
But also has radical roots among the Latin American community within the US
idk i have passing complexion and little connection to the community so probably not my business 🤷♀️
