• banner80@fedia.ioOP
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      2 months ago

      Biden stepped down before getting the official nomination. Trump was nominated by his party last week. That makes Trump officially the oldest candidate nominated by a political party.

      • Feydaikin@beehaw.org
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        2 months ago

        Jesus, I just realized there’s only 4 years between them. They should both be retired, not running for second terms as president.

      • MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml
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        2 months ago

        You are confusing the term candidate and nominee.

        Both Biden and Trump were candidates. Trump is now the Republican nominee, Biden was the presumptive Democrat nominee.

    • SuperIce@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      He’s not a candidate in this election, and Trump is older now than Biden was during the last election.

      • MrVilliam@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        For those who struggle with math, that means that Biden is less than 4 years older than trump. The people criticizing Biden’s age and not trump’s as well never actually gave a shit about Biden’s age. Look forward to those same people making up bullshit reasons that Harris is less capable than trump. They know they’re full of shit, but it’s not about making sense, it’s about trying to obfuscate what’s pretty clear so that independents and undecideds give up, get frustrated, get confused, and/or get demotivated so that they either stay home or vote 3rd party. There are only two viable parties in this bullshit first past the post system; one of them wants Project 2025 and one of them doesn’t. Look at bullet points for what that is and then get your ass to the polls. It’s that simple. The only people trying to convince you that it’s not that simple are the ones who don’t want you to look at those bullet points because it’s pretty obvious whether most people are for or against that playbook. It’s damning.

        • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          The people criticizing Biden’s age and not trump’s as well never actually gave a shit about Biden’s age.

          You’re true about a lot of us, just not in the way you’re implying: I and a lot of others objected to his diminished capacity rather than his age itself.

          Berne’s a little over en year older than Biden and sharper than people two decades younger.

          Nancy Pelosi is a year or two older still, and not showing any he near as stark signs of decline as Biden is.

          Come to think of it, the media harped on and on about Bernie’s age in both the 2016 and 2020 primaries without ever mentioning the health of Hillary or Biden. Did you come to Bernie’s defense in 2020 since he’s in better health than both, heart stent and all, and less than a year older than Biden?

          Look forward to those same people making up bullshit reasons that Harris is less capable than trump

          Nobody ever said less capable than Trump. There’s several orders of magnitude between “not fit” and “as unfit as Trump”. That Biden was behind in spite of being a much less awful candidate and president was down to Trump’s religious cult as well as media gaslighting.

          Personally, I’m no fan of Kamala but I believe that, unlike Biden, she’ll beat Trump if nominated, so you won’t hear me calling for her ouster like I did for the one who was literally incapable of doing the job.

          Btw, notice how my comment is much more easily readable than your wall of text in spite of being of similar length?

          Breaking up your points into paragraphs takes literally a few seconds and improves the legibility of any long comment immensity.

          • MrVilliam@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 months ago

            Yes, Biden clearly showed signs of losing his mental acuity. I didn’t really believe it until I saw it in the past couple of months. But a lot of conservatives weren’t really articulating acuity, they were saying he was too old.

            Age in general is a concern to me as well because these old fucks don’t understand how different the world is now compared with 30-50 years ago. Wealth is also a concern to me because wealthy, privileged people haven’t struggled like average Americans have and/or do. Congress needs more people like Katie Porter who understand what it’s like to make difficult home finance decisions and be thankful that there’s even any semblance of choice involved.

            Yes, I was fully on board with Sanders in 2016 and 2020. I also liked Warren. One day in the future, maybe Buttigieg or Jeffries. It’s exciting to speculate on all of the rising, younger Democratic stars.

            I have my issues with Kamala Harris, but I think that she’s probably the best person to run against trump in 2024 especially with only 3.5 months (which sounds like plenty of time to pick anybody to me, but I’m not qualified to assess that). She’s not my favorite, but I’m more excited about her than I would’ve been for Biden.

            My only real concerns for Harris running are what the media spoonfeeds to the gullible masses and what the October surprise will be this time. There’s a part of me that wishes Biden would resign just to take away the talking point of “trump has been president and she hasn’t; is she capable of running the country?” Plus we would already have had a couple months of a woman running the country before the election, so people could see that that’s not an actual thing to be concerned about.

          • juliebean@lemm.ee
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            2 months ago

            Nobody ever said less capable than Trump.

            one nit to pick: i assure you, a lot of people harping on about biden’s ‘mental decline’ do in fact think trump is more capable, or at the very least are happy to claim to believe so. you’re clearly not one of them, but they exist in droves.

            and if bernie had been elected, i suspect they’d make the same claims regardless of evidence to the contrary.

        • NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth
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          2 months ago

          First of all vote.

          Second of all, I’m sick of this fall in line and do what we say bullshit.

          Fuck you!

          I will do what I want and if it happens to fall in line with what you tell me to then you’re lucky I’m even still going to do it.

          Fucking authoritarian bullshit is supposed to be on their side

          • Irremarkable@fedia.io
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            2 months ago

            “Hey, the other guys are fascist, so if you don’t like fascism, you probably should vote against them”

            REEEE YOU’RE A FASCIST FOR EVEN MENTIONING THAT MAYBE PEOPLE SHOULD VOTE A CERTAIN WAY

            • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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              2 months ago

              Fun fact: all fascists are authoritarian, but not all who are authoritarian are fascists.

              The other commenter rightly called your condescendingly controlling behavior based on adherence to authority authoritarian without calling you a fascist.

                • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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                  2 months ago

                  Huh? You’re saying that the timing of his reply is somehow germane to whether or not telling people what to do is authoritarian behavior?

                  Btw, just for the record, I don’t believe in not voting and will hold my nose and vote for the lesser evil when necessary. That’s not my problem with your comments.

                  My problem is you pretty much ORDERING people to follow the example of you and me rather than advocating for it without authoritarian language.

          • MrVilliam@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 months ago

            I never said to fall in line. I said to look up bullet points on what Project 2025 is, look up who is for and who is against it, and get to the polls. I didn’t even say who to vote for. Everybody voting will result in the will of the people, and as somebody who likes having a democracy, that’s what I’m advocating for. I have my own opinions about which party is more pro democracy, and it’s probably pretty obvious to anybody who is paying attention to politics, but I was intentionally vague so that people can come to their own conclusions based on “doing their own research”.

            But I guess for you, telling people to inform themselves and vote based on factual information makes me an authoritarian. Cool.

      • NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth
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        2 months ago

        Still says ever, although op points out that he wasn’t officially nominated, but hell I’m a candidate for president if I say so because I have said i was and I meet the minimum requirements

    • samus12345@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      He is 100% guaranteed to lose the popular vote by millions. Unfortunately, that doesn’t determine whether he wins the election.

    • Jyek@sh.itjust.works
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      2 months ago

      Impeachment is not the same as being removed from office. It is the first step to the process however. Impeachment is the bringing of charges against an official in office. Once charges are brought, a trial must be held on the Senate with the Chief Supreme Court Justice presiding. If the trial ends in a conviction, the result is removal from office. However, the Chief Justice for nearly the past 20 years is a staunchly conservative man appointed by the 2nd bush administration in 2005.

      Impeachment was never really a threat to Trump while in office. Just a way for Congress to tell the president that they know the bad shit he’s doing and they don’t like it. As long as the supreme court remains absolutely stacked with conservative appointees, there will never be a removal of office of a favored Republican president.

  • MagicShel@programming.dev
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    2 months ago

    Just Trump again giving unwelcome kisses to his stage partner., but when women accuse him of the same thing conservatives don’t believe it. He’s showing you who he is.

      • samus12345@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        World population in 1945 - 2.3 billion

        World population in 2024 - 8.2 billion

        I’m talking numbers, not percentages (although Trump might still have Hitler beat there as well, thanks to the internet).

        • The Liver@lemm.ee
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          2 months ago

          I was born decades after Hitler died and I hate him.

          Wait, just saw the lifetime thing

          Anyways you’d be surprised by the amount of people uncaring of American politics in India and china, or even supporting trump.

          • psud@aussie.zone
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            2 months ago

            People all over care about American politics. America keeps the Peoples Republic of China from invading the Republic of China, is helping Ukraine resist Russia, provides a lot of support for its allies

            Different presidents alter American foreign policy

            Last time Trump was ineffective. This time we worry that he may have more effective plans for holding power than last time, and the rest of the world worries about a weaker America

          • samus12345@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 months ago

            I’m specifically talking about while the person is still alive because once they’re dead, what you think of them is moot.

  • shimdidly@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    OLDEST candidate, rofl!

    Age doesn’t matter. Mental cognition does.

    Convicted criminal

    Yeah, by the deep state using the rigged courts.

    Worst deficit

    Yeah, maybe. But he freed up the economy by approving a record number of drilling contracts, and basically telling the world “America is open for business.” Had this modus operandi continued, we could have even prospered our way out of the negative consequences of the spending.

    Twice impeached

    Again, by the deep state using the radicals in congress. Crazy people hate you? What an accolade that is.

    Hated by most Americans

    Let’s see, Obama got 69M votes in 2008. Trump got 74M votes in 2020. Saying “most hated” really misses the point here.

    Lost the popular vote

    On paper…

        • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
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          2 months ago

          I think you missed the joke.

          You’re not just “disagreeing”. You’re trotting out GOP propaganda, much like a bot programmed to do so.

          I’m having a hard time believing that you actually believe what you’re saying.

          • psud@aussie.zone
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            2 months ago

            Never underestimate people. Half are below average on any axis you might care about

        • psud@aussie.zone
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          2 months ago

          “Ideological” says a person who talks about the deep state as if it’s a bad thing (the department of transport is part of the deep state; the deep state means the apparatus of the state beyond the elected representatives: the government departments, police, etc) you know, the people paid too little to regulate a tiny part of the economy

          Trump wasn’t impeached by the deep state, he was impeached by Congress, that’s the shallowest but of the state

        • samus12345@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Jimmy Carter beats pretty much all past presidents in age-related categories. He’s the oldest former president (and still going!) and has been out of office (alive) for over 43 years and counting, much longer than any previous one.

  • bigFab@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I just don’t get this. Does the fact that Biden pulled off 4 months before election mean he was never a candidate? 🤔 With that logic, if Trump quits now he is again forgiven as the oldest one? So, whole this news would be bullshit?

    • Empricorn@feddit.nlEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Does the fact that Biden pulled off 4 months before election mean he was never a candidate?

      Correct. If I won Beauty Queen last year and stated my intention to run again this year, but then withdrew before I officially entered, you can’t say I won. You also can’t say I lost, I never actually entered.

      The difference is the RNC already had their convention. Trump is their official Nominee, no matter what else happens…

    • golden_calf@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      Nope, Trump is his parties verified candidate which happens at the convention. Dems have not had their convention yet so Biden was not officially the candidate. Semantics, yes but technically true.

      • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        Plus I can’t recall if I’ve ever seen one of these parties entertain competition against an incumbent (or former president). In such cases, the party nomination is kinda/sorta a formality. This is why we have heard of zero alternative candidates from either the RNC or DNC.

        • samus12345@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Former presidents don’t normally run because they learn their lesson the first time they lose.

  • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 months ago

    Political and depressing comment ahead, skip if you are just here for the laughs

    Tap for spoiler

    And if you let him he will be the person who have killed more Americans with his civil war.

      • Ilandar@aussie.zone
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        2 months ago

        “Cult like” would be thinking Americans are going to elect a Black woman as their next president.

        • aMockTie@beehaw.org
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          2 months ago

          I’m not sure if I understand the points you are trying to make. Could you please elaborate? A) this meme is about records broken, not “wins.” A president winning a second term would not break any records. B) why wouldn’t Americans vote for a black woman? C) why would the thought of Americans electing a black women be “cult like?”

          • Ilandar@aussie.zone
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            2 months ago

            this meme is about records broken, not “wins.”

            Read the title.

            why wouldn’t Americans vote for a black woman?

            I said Americans will not elect a Black woman as president, not that they will not vote for a Black woman as president. Many Americans will vote for Harris but it’s not going to be enough to win the election. The US is conservative country with a predominately White national identity where non-Black minorities like latinos are moving further to the right and increasingly see themselves as part of the White national construct. Harris was very unpopular as vice president and is polling well behind Trump in every key state. She has just over 100 days to turn all of this around.

            why would the thought of Americans electing a black women be “cult like?”

            The American left suffers from Trump-induced cognitive dissonance. It is so fixated on defeating Trump that it cannot acknowledge that there is a reality in which Trump can and will win. This steadfast denial of reality resembles the behaviour one would find in a cult.

            • aMockTie@beehaw.org
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              2 months ago

              Thank you for the detailed response!

              I see now that you were responding to the title and not the content of the post.

              To further round out my knowledge and understanding, could you please point me to additional information about Latinos moving further to the right, Harris’ popularity, and polling data showing her well behind Trump in key states?

              I’m also curious to see examples of the American left refusing to acknowledge the potential of a second Trump term.

              Thanks again for helping me understand.

              • Ilandar@aussie.zone
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                2 months ago

                It is true that the polling of Harris, both as vice president and versus Trump, is likely to be at least somewhat influenced by the unpopularity of Biden. It’s possible that her popularity could rise now as a presidential candidate facing Trump. However, as I noted she only has around 100 days to change an unfavourable perception of her that has existed for years at this point. I doubt that is enough time for a significant shift in her public image, particularly since she is still the current vice president and continues to be directly associated with Biden’s presidency.

                I’m also curious to see examples of the American left refusing to acknowledge the potential of a second Trump term.

                I can’t really answer this in the same way I have answered your other questions. It’s my personal opinion, based on the narratives and discourse I see in the American media and among left-leaning Americans on social media. After the shock of the 2016 election, people seem to be retreating further into their left-leaning bubbles and refusing to accept that this can and likely will happen a second time, rather than engaging with the other side and trying to make sense of the country they live in. The 2024 campaign has been an absolute disaster for the left so far, yet now that Biden has removed himself from the race there seems to be another wave of delusional celebration from people who think Harris will beat Trump by virtue of being younger and not Biden.

  • juliebean@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    pretty sure other people have been convicted of crimes before. he is fantastically old though. maybe he got sent to juvie back in his childhood hometown of Bedrock and was the first convicted criminal!