Sustenance doesn’t mean “the only thing available”.
Look, I’m excited for lab-grown meat. I’ve reduced my meat consumption significantly over the last year or two. I may not be “in your camp” exactly, but I’m an ally. And it’s probably better to earn and keep allies than to argue semantics in an adversarial way. Win more flies with honey and all that.
I assume you agree o the general statement “Animals shouldn’t be killed for pleasure.”
If you then have two options for food, one including animal meat and one without, all other things being equal, even nutrition wise, then how is it not “for pleasure” to chose the option with meat?
It’s usually not that much extra effort to take the carcass and bring it to a butcher, so they do that sometimes. But yeah. Often, just leave it.
It’s actually not all that bad because we have a lack of natural predators (because we already hunted them almost to extinction) so hunting keeps the deer population from exploding.
Absolutely, the biggest nature lovers in my family are all hunters, they enjoy being in the woods, they enjoy seeing animals, they follow the rules to only harvest as much they are allowed and only during the season permitted.
This is generally illegal and heavily fined as well. Depends on where you live, I guess.
Also depends on which animals
Trophy hunting, after all this time, is still legal and big business.
Taste pleasure.
It’s generally legal and heavily subsidised. See also animal agriculture.
that’s not killing for pleasure.
Sustenance is different from pleasure
So you agree that if it isn’t for sustenance, in the case where you can just simply eat something else, it should be illegal?
Sustenance doesn’t mean “the only thing available”.
Look, I’m excited for lab-grown meat. I’ve reduced my meat consumption significantly over the last year or two. I may not be “in your camp” exactly, but I’m an ally. And it’s probably better to earn and keep allies than to argue semantics in an adversarial way. Win more flies with honey and all that.
I assume you agree o the general statement “Animals shouldn’t be killed for pleasure.”
If you then have two options for food, one including animal meat and one without, all other things being equal, even nutrition wise, then how is it not “for pleasure” to chose the option with meat?
for most people making taht decision does not involve killing anything. both options have already been harvested and presented.
“Harvested” xD nice euphemism
how else do you describe gathering farmed food?
Killing for pleasure implies hunting for sport.
Chopping up a cow so that tons of people can buy its meat is different than someone hunting bears for sport and leaving the corpse where it lands.
??? lmao no it doesn’t.
Sorry that your metaphor didn’t land with everyone.
no one said that. you’re making a leap of logic.
Does your country not allow hunting?
Hunting isn’t purely done for fun, it is also done to harvest meat
In my country it’s mostly done for fun.
So people go out, shoot a deer and just leave it there?
Seems like an extreme waste to me…
It’s usually not that much extra effort to take the carcass and bring it to a butcher, so they do that sometimes. But yeah. Often, just leave it.
It’s actually not all that bad because we have a lack of natural predators (because we already hunted them almost to extinction) so hunting keeps the deer population from exploding.
Ok, so they also do make a good deed in adition to just hunting.
More like helping fix a problem they caused in the first place, but yeah.
and ecological conservation
Absolutely, the biggest nature lovers in my family are all hunters, they enjoy being in the woods, they enjoy seeing animals, they follow the rules to only harvest as much they are allowed and only during the season permitted.